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Old 02-08-10, 02:49 PM
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GOP Senator demands pork for hostages

I gave the post a somewhat inflamatory title because I know how passioantely everybody around here feels about cutting the deficit.

Reid: Shelby Has Hold On All Nominees
Friday, Feb. 5, 2010

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., has placed a blanket hold on all executive nominations on the Senate calendar in an effort to win concessions from the Obama administration and Pentagon on a variety of fronts affecting his home state, according to aides to Senate Majority Leader Reid.

Reid spokeswoman Regan Lachapelle said Shelby is blocking more than 70 pending nominations. Reid can force a vote on any nomination by filing cloture.

Because of the time required to vote on multiple nominations, the Senate processes most nominations by unanimous consent. Any one senator can block any of those nominations by objecting to a unanimous consent request to take it up. The nominations will remain stalled unless Reid files cloture.

While holds are frequent, Senate aides said a blanket hold represents a far more aggressive use of the power than is normal.

"He should not be holding up 70-plus nominees for a parochial issue," a Democratic aide said. "They're qualified and they should be moving forward."

Disclosure of the blanket hold came after two days in which top Democrats voiced mounting frustration with Republican holds on executive nominees.

"We've got a huge backlog of folks who are unanimously viewed as well qualified -- nobody has a specific objection to them -- but end up having a hold on them because of some completely unrelated piece of business," President Obama said Wednesday in a televised meeting with Senate Democrats.

On the Senate floor Thursday, Reid, Senate Majority Whip Durbin, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy and Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin ripped Republicans for holds on national security nominees and judges.

Reid, who kept the Senate in pro forma session over recent holidays to prevent former President George W. Bush from making recess appointments, said he has grown so frustrated he might advocate such appointments, which the president can make when the Senate is out of session.

"What alternatives do we have?" Reid said on the floor Thursday. "What alternative do we have?"

Earlier in the day, a spokesman for Shelby said the senator has placed holds on "several pending nominees due to unaddressed national security concerns," including frustrations with the Air Force's handling of the competition for an aerial refueling tanker. The spokesman did not respond to later requests for comment about the blanket hold.

Northrop Grumman Corp. and EADS, the European consortium behind Airbus, and Boeing Co. are vying for the high-stakes contract, potentially worth $40 billion. The Northrop/EADS team would build the planes in Mobile, Ala., but has threatened to pull out of the competition unless the Air Force makes changes to a draft request for proposals.

"Nearly 10 years after the U.S. Air Force announced plans to replace the aging tanker fleet, we still do not have a transparent and fair acquisition process to move forward," the spokesman said. "The Department of Defense must recognize that the draft request for proposal needs to be significantly and substantively changed."

Defense Secretary Gates Wednesday told House lawmakers the Pentagon plans to issue the final request for proposals soon, and will proceed with the program whether or not there is a competition.

"Obviously we would like to have a competition for it, and we hope that both companies will agree to participate, but we will move forward," Gates said. "We have to have new tankers."

In addition to the tanker issue, Shelby's spokesman said he is frustrated that the Obama administration won't build an Alabama-based FBI center to analyze improvised explosive devices.

Shelby secured a $45 million earmark in the FY08 omnibus appropriations bill for a Terrorist Explosive Device Analytical Center to be set up at the Army's Redstone Arsenal.

"Sen. Shelby will continue to work with the FBI to give them the capability to coordinate intelligence as well as forensic and technical exploitation related to IEDs, but this administration's coddling of terrorists makes this an uphill effort," the spokesman said. "He has made the administration aware of these concerns and is willing to discuss them at any time."

Also Thursday, Vice President Biden said he was so frustrated by Republican foot-dragging that he was considering whether Senate rules should be changed.

"There's a little disappointment in that it seems like the only way to do business up here anymore is with a supermajority on almost everything," Biden said moments after swearing in Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass., who gives Republicans 41 votes, enough to filibuster on any issue.

"What I have been doing is spending a lot of time having my staff go back and scrub this, you know, the use of the filibuster and how it's worked," Biden said. "This is not a constitutional requirement."

Biden defended the 60-vote requirement, calling it "a useful tool. It's legitimate, but from my perspective having served here, having been elected seven times, I've never seen a time when it's become sort of standard operating procedure. ... Requiring a supermajority is just not a good way to do business."

by Dan Friedman and Megan Scully
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...00205_3373.php

I think Senator Shelby's behavior is pretty indefensible. I wonder if it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back on changing the Senate's rules?

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Re: GOP Senator demands pork for hostages

There are still people who listen to Harry Reid about anything?



Oh man that's so hilarious...

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Is this about those hikers Iran is holding? If so, I'm not sure offering to trade them for pork will be met with much enthusiasm.
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<a href = "http://www.npr.org/watchingwashington/2010/02/why_all_americans_should_thank.html">Why All Americans Should Thank Sen. Shelby</a>

What a douchebag.
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He's using a rule of the Senate.

A bunch of senators have used that procedure.

Let's not get our panties all in a bunch over this.
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He's using a rule of the Senate.

A bunch of senators have used that procedure.

Let's not get our panties all in a bunch over this.
In any other context, the way in which he is using it would be called extortion or soliciting a bribe. We have a scandal of this type going on in Detroit right now, with a few people copping a plea deal and and a few others being prosecuted. Here it is known as "pay to play."

The Senators should straighten out their dumb-ass rules, or we should vote the bastards out and start over. Unfortunately, each State mostly reelects incumbents based on their ability to bring home the pork, not represent the political views (or fairness views) of the State's citizens.
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Good luck in voting the bastards out.

You're going to have to get rid of 75-80.

I'll argue that in many cases it's in the citizens of the state best interest to 'bring home the pork.'
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It would be cool as hell if this brought the attention of an apathetic US public to how much bullshit incumbents have brought into Senate to play their corrupt games.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan View Post
<a href = "http://www.npr.org/watchingwashington/2010/02/why_all_americans_should_thank.html">Why All Americans Should Thank Sen. Shelby</a>

What a douchebag.
The American people just watched the Senate Dems waste a year on health care reform. I don't think many will care that they are being obstructed now.
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I'll argue that in many cases it's in the citizens of the state best interest to 'bring home the pork.'
Then quit bitching about the deficit.
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Come on!

The so-called pork barrel projects are a drop in the bucket as far as the deficit is concerned.
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The so-called pork barrel projects are a drop in the bucket as far as the deficit is concerned.
In hindsight, so is the Iraq War.
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Come on!

The so-called pork barrel projects are a drop in the bucket as far as the deficit is concerned.
A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon, you're talking about real money.
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As long as we have Obama in office it's a trillion & a trillion there....................
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Re: GOP Senator demands pork for hostages

So I take it you approve of a single Senator holding up dozens of unrelated appointments simply because he's miffed that his state isn't getting a particular piece of pork he wants?
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I'll argue that in many cases it's in the citizens of the state best interest to 'bring home the pork.'
Except when you're John Murtha or Robert Byrd.
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As much as I loath anyone who seeks to increase spending in this economy I have to grudgingly admit he is doing the job he was elected and representing his state. I completely disagree with it but I do understand it.
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The so-called pork barrel projects are a drop in the bucket as far as the deficit is concerned.
Fine. We'll cut Social Security and Medicare too.
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As long as we have Obama in office it's a trillion & a trillion there....................
Yeah, no one ever ran a deficit until Obama, and as soon as we put Sarah Palin in office the deficit will go away.
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So I take it you approve of a single Senator holding up dozens of unrelated appointments simply because he's miffed that his state isn't getting a particular piece of pork he wants?
I approve of it. It would be better, however, if he could hold up all of the Senate's business instead of specific parts of it.
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Fine. We'll cut Social Security and Medicare too.Yeah, no one ever ran a deficit until Obama, and as soon as we put Sarah Palin in office the deficit will go away.
say what you want about Palin. but she would not be the insane spend-monger that the current idiot in the WH is.
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I approve of it. It would be better, however, if he could hold up all of the Senate's business instead of specific parts of it.
Yeah. I was going to say too bad they can't do that with laws.
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So I take it you approve of a single Senator holding up dozens of unrelated appointments simply because he's miffed that his state isn't getting a particular piece of pork he wants?
I have no problem with the rule, just as I have no problem with the Senate rule concerning unanimous consent.

And you would have no problem with it if it were a Repub in the WH and a Democrat was holding up nominations.
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say what you want about Palin. but she would not be the insane spend-monger that the current idiot in the WH is.
It's easy to say that about her now, but we have no clue what she would do if she gets into office. Her wardrobe budget alone could be a hundreds of billions of dollars.
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Our brief national nightmare is over.

Shelby releases holds on Obama nominees
Updated 8:35 p.m.
By Shailagh Murray
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) has released his controversial "holds" on more than 70 pending presidential nominations, his office said Monday night.

Senators, usually from the minority party, often use the legislative tactic on one or a few presidential nominees, usually to protest parochial concerns. Shelby's maneuver, aimed at nearly all appointments awaiting confirmation on the Senate floor, agitated Democrats because it would effectively limit confirmation votes to a handful per month. It also marked a low point in a partisan standoff in the Senate that has forced Democrats to find 60 votes to pass almost everything.

Senate Democratic aides confirmed that Shelby had released most holds, but Shelby said he would continue to block other, unnamed nominees. His office issued a lengthy statement Monday night to explain his move:

"The purpose of placing numerous holds was to get the White House's attention on two issues that are critical to our national security - the Air Force's aerial refueling tanker acquisition and the FBI's Terrorist Device Analytical Center (TEDAC). With that accomplished, Sen. Shelby has decided to release his holds on all but a few nominees directly related to the Air Force tanker acquisition until the new Request for Proposal is issued. The Air Force tanker acquisition is not an 'earmark' as has been reported; it is a competition to replace the Air Force's aging aerial refueling tanker fleet. Sen. Shelby is not seeking to determine the outcome of the competition; he is seeking to ensure an open, fair and transparent competition that delivers the best equipment to our men and women in uniform. Sen. Shelby is fully justified in his concern given the history and current status of this acquisition," the senator's office said.

The White House said that it agreed to none of Shelby's demands, and that the senator released the holds on his own accord.
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I can't wait to see the "good government" these clowns have in store for March!
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