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Old 01-25-10, 02:44 PM
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No-bid contracts given to campaign contributors

they're bad, right?
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Old 01-25-10, 02:52 PM
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Re: No-bid contracts given to campaign contributors

Originally Posted by Obama campaign promise No. 30
"Will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid."
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I think no-bid contracts are bad (unless there are extenuating circumstances, but it doesn't sound like that's the case here). If this article is accurate, then I think USAID needs to either explain why this was an appropriate case for a no-bid contract or, if they can't, heads need to roll.
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Actually, that was before this was reported. I've already sent an email so they can move it on up.
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I think no-bid contracts are bad (unless there are extenuating circumstances, but it doesn't sound like that's the case here). If this article is accurate, then I think USAID needs to either explain why this was an appropriate case for a no-bid contract or, if they can't, heads need to roll.
This. If there is a valid reason for it fine, I have no problem with it.
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Re: No-bid contracts given to campaign contributors

Not to be contentious, but I'm curious as to what you feel would be appropriate extenuating circumstances for a no-bid contract.
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Not to be contentious, but I'm curious as to what you feel would be appropriate extenuating circumstances for a no-bid contract.
Enough other things going on that nobody will notice? By the way, there was an earthquake in Haiti and Obama is also going to double the child care tax credit. Not sure why this matter is worth discussing at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet View Post
Not to be contentious, but I'm curious as to what you feel would be appropriate extenuating circumstances for a no-bid contract.
Timeline is so short the bid process would be impossible or there is no reasonable way to estimate costs (ie a contract emergency to rebuild army bases after a theoretical future terrorist attack,,,how many bases, how much damage, which locations...no way to estimate this cost)
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Timeline is so short the bid process would be impossible or there is no reasonable way to estimate costs (ie a contract emergency to rebuild army bases after a theoretical future terrorist attack,,,how many bases, how much damage, which locations...no way to estimate this cost)
These. Or if the bidding process itself would dwarf the size of the contract e.g. an agency needs a new printer. We don't need to bid that out -- just send someone down to Best Buy. That's a bad example because I assume that most agencies have contracts to buy millions of dollars worth of office equipment that they did bid out, but you get the idea.
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How about if the time delay and costs of generating and processing bids outweighed (with high probability) potential savings by going with a lower bidder? There is a time value to money, so spending a little more now to get it done faster might be better than saving a little bit and experiencing a delay.
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OR if through the process of a FAIR pre-approval of contractors based on company infrastructure and experience only ONE contractor is qualified?
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I wonder if some our members who support the administration on this supported the Bush Admininstration in their use of no-bid contracts?
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I wonder if some our members who support the administration on this
Has anyone here come out in support of this?
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He's laughing at us in this picture.
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Has anyone here come out in support of this?
It is funny how these sorts of issues get discussed as though there should be some difference of opinion between conservatives and liberals.
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It is funny how these sorts of issues get discussed as though there should be some difference of opinion between conservatives and liberals.
The difference is between whether your party is in power or the other party is in power.
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Originally Posted by classicman2 View Post
I wonder if some our members who support the administration on this supported the Bush Admininstration in their use of no-bid contracts?

as a prior military member i support no-bid contracts. the way the bidding system was set up it was too much problems, too costly and too expensive in the long run
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I think no-bid contracts are sometimes the only way to go - especially in the defense area.
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the people i knew who went to Bosnia said haliburton did a great job setting everything up and running the life support services like cafeterias. in a lot of cases the people working there were former military who served in the units they were now supporting and knew exactly who to go to in case there was an issue that needed to get solved

with bidding i've been told what happens is that a lot of times someone wins with a bid that's too low. and they end up doing shoddy work or performing poor services. it takes years to arbitrate it or resolve it in court and in the end costs a lot more money.

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These. Or if the bidding process itself would dwarf the size of the contract e.g. an agency needs a new printer. We don't need to bid that out -- just send someone down to Best Buy. That's a bad example because I assume that most agencies have contracts to buy millions of dollars worth of office equipment that they did bid out, but you get the idea.
when i was there we had a few contracts to choose from to buy IT gear. in some cases it was obsolete crap at crazy prices and other cases the contracts were refreshed once or twice a year and the prices were OK. one time i had a problem with an order and emailed the CEO of the contracting company and the computer came in within a few days
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Re: No-bid contracts given to campaign contributors

Originally Posted by classicman2 View Post
I wonder if some our members who support the administration on this supported the Bush Admininstration in their use of no-bid contracts?
I did not say I support this, Im just pointing out examples where no bid contracts are ethically ok
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I don't about wether they're ethically ok or not.

Some times they just make sense.
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