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Conservatives... who out there is a good candidate?

ACU ratings:
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http://www.conservative.org/archive2/House_standout.asp

CAGW (not movielib's CAGW )
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Some names pop up that I've heard before: Pence, Flake, Coburn, Kyl, DeMint but do any of them have a chance on the national level?

Too bad Sanford had to be an idiot
http://www.acuf.org/issues/issue15/040703news.asp

Here's the recent take from FR:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-gop/2430071/posts
2012 Presidential Power Rankings: January
Race 4 2012 ^ | January 16, 2010 | Max Twain

Posted on Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:34:52 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

1. Mitt Romney – Gov. Romney remains in the best position to win the GOP nomination, however the fallout from Gov. Mike Huckabee’s clemency of a cop killer may hurt Romney as well. If the clemency problems force Huckabee out of the race, then Gov. Sarah Palin could consolidate social conservative support in the early states and pose a serious threat to Romney’s chances. On the other hand, Romney has held steady throughout the year, experiencing none of the problems that have plagued his potential rivals. That doesn’t mean that trouble isn’t rearing it’s head around the corner. Gov. Romney’s healthcare plan will likely loom large throughout the next year, with the New Hampshire Union Leader firing the first major shot across the bow in a recent article that also showed signs of support for another Romney rival, Gov. Tim Pawlenty. Although this is a major hurdle, Romney’s rivals also have major obstacles, from Gov. Palin’s resignation, Gov. Pawlenty’s cap-and-trade problems, to Gov. Huckabee’s clemencies. Whomever handles these problems the best will likely be the front-runner come 2012. For now, Gov. Romney is in the best position to do that.

2. Tim Pawlenty – Minnesota’s governor has made some significant moves in his pursuit of the 2012 nomination. He has created a PAC, Freedom First, and announced several major hires from previous campaigns. He has also taken direct aim at both Barack Obama’s and Mitt Romney’s healthcare plan, likely to be a favorite line of attack as Pawlenty sets out to overtake 2012 frontrunner. He is quickly becoming an establishment alternative to Romney, and attracting early insider support. His efforts have earned him some early praise from key players in 2012, namely an early indication of support by the influential New Hampshire Union Leader. With Palin and Huckabee potentially leaving politics behind in pursuit of success on television and other areas, Pawlenty now appears to be Romney’s top rival. However, any indication that Palin and/or Huckabee may break their Fox News contract and return public life would instantly make the campaign more difficult for the Minnesota governor.

3. John Thune – Senator Thune continues to quietly build for a 2012 run. While having no announced opponent yet for his 2010 reelection bid, Sen. Thune still has amassed an impressive war chest, retained a top-level campaign manager, started a PAC, and fundraised for candidates in Iowa. Slowly but surely the media is beginning to catch on, with new profiles about the junior senator from South Dakota appearing on CNN, The New York Times and The Washington Post. Thune’s social conservative credentials could also allow him to join the chorus of candidates likely to benefit from Huckabee’s problems. Thune brings both the social conservative credentials needed to win over the early states like Iowa, as well as significant establishment support that is needed for overall success in the primaries. With other conservative candidates seemly leaving politics for careers in media, Thune is rising quickly to potentially fill the void, with both his intangibles, his giant-killer reputation, and his conservative credentials leading the way.

4. Sarah Palin – After taking hits early on, Palin has stormed back with her wildly successful book, Going Rogue, and has seen a marginal increase in her numbers among republicans and independents. But the success of her book is not the most important factor in her return to contention, but rather the damaging clemency revelations that could mortally wound Gov. Huckabee’s political career. Palin can now galvanize the social conservative movement behind her, making the former Alaska governor the overwhelming front-runner in the all important Iowa Caucuses. This potential, as well as a natural base of support in South Carolina, could help the governor build an unstoppable momentum towards the nomination. However, her decision to sign a multi-year contract with Fox News seems to indicate that Palin could very well leave political office behind, instead choosing to remain in the private sector writing books and becoming a TV star. Due to these tempting private sector opportunities, Palin as well as Mike Huckabee may forgo political office all together, deciding to stay active politically more as pundits and celebrity conservatives. These opportunities are why I feel Palin is now less likely to run, and therefore why she is being dropped in the rankings.

5. Newt Gingrich – The former Speaker may have lost some face with the conservative base in endorsing Dede Scozzafava in the NY-23 election, but he may have gained support from the crucial GOP establishment. Despite the Speaker’s impressive resume and historic electoral successes, his bombastic past still leaves many in the establishment wary. But being a team player in NY-23 may get the establishment on board the Gingrich train, granting the former Speaker a chance to make history and complete a legendary comeback. Nixon accomplished it, and Newt may be next. With Palin and Huckabee potentially staying out of the 2012 field, Gingrich could potentially rally the base and become an alternative to the more moderate Romney and Pawlenty. He has recently mentioned himself as a potential 2012 contender and also plans to release a new Contract with America, which could be the policy foundation for his presidential bid.

6. Mike Huckabee – The former Arkansas governor has run into serious trouble with the revelation that he granted clemency to notorious cop-killer Maurice Clemmons. The sheer amount of clemencies and pardons is jarring, with the governor having granted more clemencies and pardons then several surrounding states’ governors combined. The volume alone would lead you to believe that Clemmons will not be the last we hear of the people released or commuted by Governor Huckabee. While Huckabee’s die-hard supporters will likely stick by their man allowing his poll numbers to hold steady, this will certainly come back to haunt him, as rivals hammer the former governor with his poor judgment in these cases. A GOP establishment already wary of Huckabee now has the last reason they will ever need to abandon him completely, and will work to force him from the 2012 race. If Huckabee was reluctant to leave his TV show before this news broke, I imagine his Fox News deal will grow only more enticing as the primaries get closer. The promise of a lucrative private sector career on TV and radio may prove too much to surrender for another run for office, a temptation now shared by Huckabee’s new Fox News colleague, Sarah Palin.

7. Haley Barbour – Governor Barbour is perhaps the greatest strategist in the party. He showed off that talent earlier this month, helping to lead two GOP candidates to victory in Virginia and NJ, a great start for the head of the RGA. With his sights set on major races all over the country in 2010, from California, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Michigan, Florida, and Texas, Gov. Barbour could not only continue to help revive the party but could also collect enough chits along the way to make himself a strong contender in 2012. With Speaker Gingrich’s mishap in NY-23, it could be Gov. Barbour who emerges as the 1994′er to lead a new generation of Republicans back to power, and himself to the White House.

8. Rick Perry – The long serving Texas Governor has bounced back from poor early polls to take a solid lead in the GOP primary against Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison. A successful primary followed by likely reelection will help raise Gov. Perry’s profile further in the national party. He is already winning populist support for his anti-Washington screed, and won the endorsement of Gov. Palin. But it’s his state’s strong economy that just might push the Texas Governor into contention. As blue states like California and New Jersey head into spiraling fiscal crisis, Texas stands as a strong example of successful conservative economics in the face of a President pushing tax-and-spend liberalism. This factor, combined with a long, experienced career can put Perry in a very strong position. The uniting of the Tea Party base and his large, deep-pocketed Texas donors would give him a strong chance in the early states.

9. Mike Pence - The conservative Indiana congressman is a rising star in the GOP, and now more then ever he seems to be gearing up for a potential 2012 presidential bid. Rep. Pence’s intentions have been tough to read due to the multiple opportunities for higher office currently within his reach. In 2012, both the governorship and Richard Luger’s senate seat could be open, and due to the unpopular Obama agenda even Sen. Evan Bayh could be vulnerable in a 2010 race. Despite these potential opportunities, it appears Pence has a bigger office in mind. The recent additions to his campaign team, notably Phil Gramm, Ed Meese, and Tony Perkins as advisors and Kellyanne Conway as a campaign strategist, seem to indicate Pence will aim for the 2012 presidential nomination. With his conservative credentials, his Tea Party connections, and his strong communication skills, Pence could be a real dark horse, especially if Palin or Huckabee pass on the race.

10. Jeb Bush – The former Florida governor has been more active of late, stumping recently in Ohio for GOP candidate John Kasich, and fundraising for other candidates around the country. As Obama’s numbers get worse and the Bush brand slowly rebuilds, talk of Jeb returning to public life is growing. He still commands the vast Bush network, and is increasingly gathering chits by fundraising in key races around the country. The biggest potential chit, however, remains his potential endorsement of Marco Rubio in the Florida senate primary, an endorsement that could put Rubio over the top while also endearing the more moderate Bush brother to the conservative grassroots. Such a high profile, high reward endorsement could push Jeb right back into the 2012 spotlight.

Honorable Mention: Rudy Giuliani, Mitch Daniels, Eric Cantor, George Pataki, Dick Cheney, Bobby Jindal, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum
The only candidates on that power ranking list I'd vote for would be Ron Paul, Mike Pence, and John Thune. And Mike Pence makes me a little uneasy with his social conservatism, but at least he does stand strong as a fiscal conservative.

The rest of the people, the thought of them even having a chance is why the Republican party is where it is today. Huckabee? Seriously?? uke:

Many of the same names on politicalderby.com

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Old 01-16-10, 10:01 PM
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Flake is a flake.

Romney has no chance for the nomination.

Forget about Gingrich.

Perry may not win the Republican primary for the Texas governorship. How's he going to win the Republican nomination for president?

Barbour - no charisma.

Bush - voters are tired of the Bushes.

Pence - he's afraid of running against Bayh. How's he going to run a national campaign?

Huckabee had his shot in 2008.

Fact: Any Republican who can win the nomination will be a social conservative. Get use to it, or become a Democrat.

Why should a Republican who seriously wants the nomination be concerned about NH?

And, Ron Paul is not a conservative. He's a libertarian.

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I'm amazed at how few I know. I'd like to see Gingrich run just to hear people talk about how he left his wife with cancer. Hopefully Edwards would run against Obama, then we could have two guys that cheat on their wives when they have cancer.

Honestly, no clue. But I'd vote for any of them over Obama.
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kvrdave, I would vote for you over Obama...

Ron Paul would be my preference, but I don't think there is any chance he would run
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From how raving mad liberals are at Obama, I'm thinking it must be him.
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Yo! Fred Thompson, muthafuckahs!

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I'm gonna relax a while in this thread before the libs get here.
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Fact: Any Republican who can win the nomination will be a social conservative. Get use to it, or become a Democrat.
I'm ok with a social conservative. I just don't want that to be their main line on their business card. (like Huck)

If I had a problem with all social conservatives I wouldn't have even said I might be ok with Pence. He most definitely is a social conservative.

I'd like to see Coburn run.

And I still like what Sanford stands for politically, but unfortunately I don't see social conservatives forgiving him as easily.
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I don't believe that was Huckaee's main 'line.'

Huckabee has (had) a number of populist ideas. That was why I assumed you were opposed to him.

Coburn would be far more prone to base a campaign on social issues than would Huckabee. Granted Coburn is also a dyed in the wool fiscal conservative. The other Oklahoma Senator would be more to your liking, IMO.

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Oh god, it's already time to talk about this?

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It's really odd seeing Robert Byrd described as a 'true liberal', or Michelle Bachmann as a 'defender of liberty'.
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I would like to say Gary Johnson. I believe that Thune has a real chance though based on what I have seen of him so far.
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I believe Robert Byrd is favor of the social welfare state that we have in this country.

That may make him a New Deal Liberal - but I don't believe that makes him a liberal as I would define it today. Nancy Pelosi is a liberal. Barack Obama is a liberal. Barney Frank is a liberal. Russ Feingold is a liberal.
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I would like to say Gary Johnson. I believe that Thune has a real chance though based on what I have seen of him so far.
The problem I see with Thune is that I have doubts that's he's mean enough to run an effective campaign for the nomination.
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I hope Gary Johnson runs, not that he would have a chance.
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Haven't heard of most of them. That's probably a good thing if they want to have a chance. They'll need a "fresh face" to compete, in my opinion.
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I'm still on board with Romney.
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I'm still on board with Romney.
Romney's your best bet on that list. I like the fresh face idea, but I'm guessing all the newcomers will simply try to out-Palin each other, so that's a non-starter.
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Romney's your best bet on that list. I like the fresh face idea, but I'm guessing all the newcomers will simply try to out-Palin each other, so that's a non-starter.
It will be a dick-swinging contest on foreign policy/defense like in '08 with a heathy dose of "we need small gov't." Unfortunately, all but a few of those names will be talking the talk on small gov't but not walking the walk were they actually to win the thing. The blobs can't seem to distinguish the talk-only guys from the real thing.
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Romney's your best bet on that list. I like the fresh face idea, but I'm guessing all the newcomers will simply try to out-Palin each other, so that's a non-starter.
I hope he's not our best bet. While I know next to nothing about him, I always think, "He won in Massachussetts.....c'mon, he can't be very conservative."
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But he is (I think) Mormon, and I think Glenn Beck is as well, so he would have at least one loud supporter.
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But he is (I think) Mormon, and I think Glenn Beck is as well, so he would have at least one loud supporter.
Beck is Palin's lapdog, plain and simple

She's the only one with the strength to bring us back to the 'simpler time' whatever the fuck that means
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I'm still with Romney. I wanted him to be our candidate in 2008, but he lost out to McCain. I agree with him on the majority of his policies, and the fact that he's a Mormon doesn't really bother me. Romney in 2012... I only know who six of the people are on that list. On a side note, I just discovered that Romney is 62... I hope I look that youthful when I'm 62!
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It will be a dick-swinging contest on foreign policy/defense like in '08 with a heathy dose of "we need small gov't." Unfortunately, all but a few of those names will be talking the talk on small gov't but not walking the walk were they actually to win the thing. The blobs can't seem to distinguish the talk-only guys from the real thing.
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I hope he's not our best bet. While I know next to nothing about him, I always think, "He won in Massachussetts.....c'mon, he can't be very conservative."
I agree with you both.

I got a funny feeling though, it'll be the same old same old "it's so and so's turn" like we got with McCain

They won't allow a fresh face.
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I don't think there is a so-and-so's turn this time - there certainly isn't an apparent one to me anyhow. But it should be a lot more wide open compared to '00.
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