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Jobs created in districts that don't exist.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jobs-...ory?id=9097853

Here's a stimulus success story: In Arizona's 15th congressional district, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending. At least that's what the Web site set up by the Obama administration to track the $787 billion stimulus says.

There's one problem, though: There is no 15th congressional district in Arizona; the state has only eight districts.


And ABC News has found many more entries for projects like this in places that are incorrectly identified.

Late Monday, officials with the Recovery Board created to track the stimulus spending, said the mistakes in crediting nonexistent congressional districts were caused by human error.


"We report what the recipients submit to us," said Ed Pound, Communications Director for the Board.

Pound told ABC News the board receives declarations from the recipients - state governments, federal agencies and universities - of stimulus money about what program is being funded.

"Some recipients clearly don't know what congressional district they live in, so they appear to be just throwing in any number. We expected all along that recipients would make mistakes on their congressional districts, on jobs numbers, on award amounts, and so on. Human beings make mistakes," Pound said.

The issue has raised hackles on Capitol Hill.

Rep. David Obey, D-Wisc, who chairs the powerful House appropriations Committee, issued a paper statement demanding that the recovery.gov Web site be updated.

"The inaccuracies on recovery.gov that have come to light are outrageous and the Administration owes itself, the Congress, and every American a commitment to work night and day to correct the ludicrous mistakes."

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Re: Jobs created in districts that don't exist.

I saw this on ABC last night and wondered if anyone would do a thread.

They showed the clip of ol' Joe saying you could track 'every dollar and see the jobs'. Then they went on and on and on with districts that didn't exist on the recovery.gov website and all the jobs and money that had been spent in them.

It was hilarious.

Now that they've been caught, the White House claims it was all an accident and human error.


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Old 11-17-09, 12:03 PM
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I don't think the whitehouse is purposely making up data (I hope they aren't that stupid). But I do think the bureaucracy that is crunching the numbers is pretty lax on what constitutes a new/saved job. There was some local news about local data and they said how the people in D.C. they talked to said they should count raises as saved jobs so someone who got a small raise with stimulus funds counted as a saved job. Basically, someone is looking to pad their stats
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Re: Jobs created in districts that don't exist.

I took a look around on that site. I saw that they were claiming 30 "saved or created" jobs in the mythical 91st Texas congressional district as a result of spending about $57000. How great could these jobs be at $2000 per?
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Come on man, they are making up districts that didn't exists knowing people have no clue about such things and it would fool them.

It's pretty obvious.

They are claiming money spent has 'created jobs' in congressional districts all over the nation that don't exist.
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We got some in GA too

00 congressional district 1 $2,288,376
86th congressional district 0 $1,668,656
25th congressional district 0 $854,193
21st congressional district 0 $725,000
19th congressional district 0 $422,795
14th congressional district 0 $257,790
27th congressional district
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I saw this on ABC last night and wondered if anyone would do a thread.

They showed the clip of ol' Joe saying you could track 'every dollar and see the jobs'. Then they went on and on and on with districts that didn't exist on the recover.org website and all the jobs and money that had been spent in them.

It was hilarious.

Now that they've been caught, the White House claims it was all an accident and human error.

I saw that too. I jumped so high I almost hit the ceiling. It just keeps getting better and better. Just think if the other side had done this, they'd be crucified.
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Re: Jobs created in districts that don't exist.

Well give them a break they had to create the website on a shoe-string budget. Only $18 Million. Let's see you set up a web site with such a small budget!
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Well give them a break they had to create the website on a shoe-string budget. Only $18 Million. Let's see you set up a web site with such a small budget!
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Old 11-17-09, 01:21 PM
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Re: Jobs created in districts that don't exist.

I went to recovery.gov and put my zip code in the View Recovery Information in Your Neighborhood box and that $18 million site sure isn't giving me info for my neighborhood. Other zips give the same info.

But when I downloaded the spreadsheet I did find that Tsar Nicoulai Caviar, LLC got a grant for $27,407.94 with no reason specified. That's a good use of tax money.
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I don't know how this could be a mistake. If it were a mistake, they would have just reported the wrong district, or the wrong number of jobs, or the wrong amount of money spent, not districts that don't exist.
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Instead of district 5 someone could have put 15. Or they might have put state house districts. Or they might have made them up because they don't know what district they are in.

If the site didn't suck, you could search for stuff by district and see a list of stuff for that district (instead of totals) and then see the address and see what district it should go to.
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I don't know how this could be a mistake. If it were a mistake, they would have just reported the wrong district, or the wrong number of jobs, or the wrong amount of money spent, not districts that don't exist.
Exactly.

It's not a mistake.

The Obama White House is obviously amateurish in many areas, including how to try and lie to 'the faithful' about policies they championed that failed miserably.
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Old 11-17-09, 01:45 PM
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Fuzzy math indeed:

http://www.recovery.gov/transparency...ardType=Grants

This grant award provides funding support for the following investments in public transportation: A) Performing preventive maintenance on existing bus and rail vehicles and facilities/infrastructure B) Purchase 18 replacement clean fuel buses with bike racks C) Partial funding to upgrade and replace the fire protection system (FPS) for MARTA transit stations, lines, and facilities. This project includes fire detection, suppression and notification systems D) Support for ADA Paratransit Operations E) Upgrade and rehabilitation of lighting within the MARTA rail system and a limited amount of security equipment

Total Award Amount $55,415,078

Jobs Created 832.16
Description of Jobs Created Grant expenditures for this quarter have funded the preventive maintenance of MARTA's transit vehicle fleet and facilities, as performed by in-house employees. For the quarter ended 9/30/09, this grant funded the Full Time Equivalent (FTE) of 832 existing (retained) positions/jobs at MARTA. Examples of these jobs include apprentice and journeymen mechanics and electronic technicians, inspectors, track maintainers and servicepersons.

So 55 mill was given. Some is used to buy buses other is used for maintenance. How do you compute how many jobs buying a bus creates? Hard to say, so you just divide the total grant amount by the avg salary (FTE) and you get number of jobs.
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Exactly.

It's not a mistake.

The Obama White House is obviously amateurish in many areas, including how to try and lie to 'the faithful' about policies they championed that failed miserably.
Well, what really sort of drives it home is that it didn't misreport the jobs. It reported them out of thin air. They weren't jobs that were indeed created in other districts; they were just made up.

This is like dead people voting.
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I skimmed over the first 700 of 1,625 projects for Indiana. As I did so, I typed the estimated jobs created for each one into an Excel spreadsheet. Seems that while that chunk is about 43% of the total projects, it only accounts for 6,346 of the supposed 75,000 jobs created in our state. Strange, but maybe the last 57% has a much higher jobs-per-project ratio.

More interesting to me, I noticed there are a shitload of similar projects that each created 109 jobs for our state. Here are three examples of what I'm talking about:
http://www.recovery.org/projectdetai...loc=Indiana*IN
http://www.recovery.org/projectdetai...loc=Indiana*IN
http://www.recovery.org/projectdetai...loc=Indiana*IN

From what I can tell, these projects are an Indiana firm completing work in other states (Montana, New York, Vermont, Texas and Maine to be precise). Funnily enough, each of these projects is credited to multiple states, with both Indiana and the state the work's being done in being credited with 109 jobs and $10,000,000 in stimulus. So is each of these a project that is supposed to create 109 jobs and they're double counting? Or are these projects each supposed to create 218 jobs and they're just splitting them evenly across both states? Either way, it seems like a piss poor way of accurately estimating anything.
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wow, recovery.org is much easier to use than recovery.gov
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http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency...40&PopId=24004

I don't get this. Is it just random money to pay for jobs? How does that much money pay for 42 jobs?
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So is each of these a project that is supposed to create 109 jobs and they're double counting? Or are these projects each supposed to create 218 jobs and they're just splitting them evenly across both states? Either way, it seems like a piss poor way of accurately estimating anything.

It's simply a matter of creative accounting.
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wow, recovery.org is much easier to use than recovery.gov
And after looking at their financial statements it's pretty hard to believe that they paid anywhere near $18 million for their site.
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Ok. For Indiana, recovery.org has $1,336,434,044 going to 1,187 projects to create 75,000 jobs. Supposedly they add projects as soon as the gov't has approved funding. recovery.gov shows Indiana being approved for $3,046,340,000 ($848,420,000 dispersed), going to 2,170 projects to create 18,876 jobs. Huge discrepancies, but who knows which to trust less. recovery.gov shows Indiana getting $3.27 million from the Dept. of Homeland Security, with Maine getting $9.19 million. Given that recovery.org has multiple $10 million Dept. of HS projects listed for both states, clearly one or the other is off by a lot.

Also, regarding the original story, recovery.gov shows a total of about $5 million going to Indiana's 18th, 00, 10th, 14th and 11th congressional districts, none of which exist. I tried looking up more info on that site, but it's such an incredibly slow, unintuitive and buggy piece of shit that it makes it about impossible.
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so, the government is either intentionally deceptive or they're incompetent. yes, let's let that same government take over health care!
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so, the government is either intentionally deceptive or they're incompetent. yes, let's let that same government take over health care!
And don't forget who voted to e-x-p-a-n-d government too.
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