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Taking the lead in Tech again

Since politicians constantly talk in terms of investing in Americas future wouldn't it be prudent to have the Government start a program where Federal Student Loans for Degrees in Science, Engineering, and Education were granted at 0% interest?

Before you say that it just inspires people to go into those fields for the wrong reason realize that our current system inspires people in the technical fields to go into banking for the opposite reason. Graduate with a PhD in Mathematics and the only way to pay off your debt is to work on Wall St using your knowledge to find more complex ways to drain the economy for every last cent.

Taking the world lead back in these fields would pay off a hundredfold and would be a better use of funds than another century of TARPs and trade deficit debt management.
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Old 10-09-09, 10:58 AM
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I was talking to a girl recently who does marketing and she said the problem is that in our culture, the jobs that come with those degrees are not seen as cool. We need marketing to solve the problem. I guess it makes a little sense. Back in the '60s, the astronauts were seen as cool and American heroes. No one cares about them today.
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Old 10-09-09, 11:09 AM
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How much marketing can you do to combat 40+ years of Hollywood portraying the technical fields as uber-nerds?

Another legacy of the baby boomers...dismantle and denegrate everything that the 'Greatest' generation achieved and stood for

Remember how Hollywood showed scientists in the 50's?
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Old 10-09-09, 11:44 AM
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Not a bad idea. I also think immigration reform is important in this area. A lot of highly skilled and knowledgable people in these fields are leaving because of their often uncertain visa status. We can't afford this sort of thing in today's world.
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Remember how Hollywood showed scientists in the 50's?
As mad scientists whose unasked for probing into unknown depths often cause horrible catastrophes for mankind?
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How much marketing can you do to combat 40+ years of Hollywood portraying the technical fields as uber-nerds?
Show Bill Gates in a Scrooge McDuck vault of $100 bills. Explain that that is how much he makes a day. End of ad.
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It doesn't really matter. We could have everybody in the country get one of these degrees, and companies would just outsource the job to somebody in India.
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Teachers and University research scientists are outsourced to india?
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Oh yeah... we're fired up for science and technology.

The US has given more money to the pharmaceutical companies for advertising this year, free money for advertising, than it would cost for us to do another manned mission to the moon.
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Show Bill Gates in a Scrooge McDuck vault of $100 bills. Explain that that is how much he makes a day. End of ad.

Nah, that would just make the lazy free lunch bastards (a group growing at an alarming rate) of America want to raise his taxes more.........
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Nah, that would just make the lazy free lunch bastards (a group growing at an alarming rate) of America want to raise his taxes more.........
Good luck to those people as his is giving away 90 some odd percent of his money. Though, they still may find a way.
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Scrooge McDuck is giving his money away?! How will he have all those grand adventures without capital to fund them??
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Not to mention, Flintheart Glomgold would become the new richest duck in the world!
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Good luck to those people as his is giving away 90 some odd percent of his money. Though, they still may find a way.
Nope, they wont be satisfied, he still has more than they do.......
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I have a cell phone that can do almost everything a computer can and it's close to doing a lot star trek crap. Yep, were behind in tech

10 years ago everyone was saying that it was impossible to break through the 90nm barrier in CPU production. Intel is going to ship 32nm early next year and has a roadmap to 15nm in the next few years.

And then there is the awesome power of the graphics card
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I have a cell phone that can do almost everything a computer can and it's close to doing a lot star trek crap. Yep, were behind in tech
Most US cell phones are 10 years behind Japan.
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So why are the japaneese starting to copy apple and are starting to write better operating systems similar to iPhone os
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So you're saying that a country with more lawyers than engineers has its science priorities right?
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So you're saying that a country with more lawyers than engineers has its science priorities right?
You can just strike science. We definitley need fewer lawyers.
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Old 10-09-09, 09:23 PM
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All the future revenues we need is in becoming the go-to nation in the world on nuclear, solar, wind power, biotech, and nano technology

All these have huge growth upside and all require an educated manufacturing class and stable infrastructure.

We need engineers and scientists and the teachers to foster them

There is NOTHING...NOTHING that we can do to grow our economy in the future that does NOT require engineers, scientists, and teachers.
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Since politicians constantly talk in terms of investing in Americas future wouldn't it be prudent to have the Government start a program where Federal Student Loans for Degrees in Science, Engineering, and Education were granted at 0% interest?

Before you say that it just inspires people to go into those fields for the wrong reason realize that our current system inspires people in the technical fields to go into banking for the opposite reason. Graduate with a PhD in Mathematics and the only way to pay off your debt is to work on Wall St using your knowledge to find more complex ways to drain the economy for every last cent.

Taking the world lead back in these fields would pay off a hundredfold and would be a better use of funds than another century of TARPs and trade deficit debt management.
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The US does pretty good in tech already. But many universities are importing students from other countries because not enough American kids are going into the engineering and science fields. They all want to be Wall Street tycoons.
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We haven't won the international programming competition in years.

That includes Stanford and MIT and etc.

They can't compete with India and the pacific rim.
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Though I generally oppose those types of things, if I were to support it, you would still get your regular student loan and it wouldn't become 0% until you graduated with those degrees.

But honestly, I think we still compete very well with new investions. Japanese seem to refine them better, and everyone else makes them because of cheap labor. We need to get better at production, in my mind.
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We haven't won the international programming competition in years.

That includes Stanford and MIT and etc.

They can't compete with India and the pacific rim.
yet google which has the most amazing file system yet created is full or americans. even microsoft does most of their pure computer science research in the US
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