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Baron Of Hell 10-04-09 03:35 PM

Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
So the republicans seem to be happy about Chicago being turned down for 2016 Olympic games. They even cheered when the lost was announced.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/02/...ndard-chicago/

The Olympics would bring in millions of dollars and create thousands of jobs wouldn't it? Beijing and Atlanta made money on the games. I know Athens didn't do so well but they probably didn't know how to do things then.

It seems pretty unamerican to wish your country to fail like this. Most of the arguments I have been hearing are along the lines I'm glad Obama failed to help America. How dare he think he can help us.

Nausicaa 10-04-09 03:47 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
Yeah, I had the misfortune of listening to the am-radio crowd the day it happened. General consensus was that it was Obama's fault, and this was the biggest failure of his presidency. Lots of complaining that Obama would dare divert his attention from the economy (so, conservatives now want his radical-commie-socialist-nazi-stalinist economic plans?).

Pretty much business-as-usual gross overreaction.

Artman 10-04-09 04:00 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell (Post 9751033)
The Olympics would bring in millions of dollars and create thousands of jobs wouldn't it? Beijing and Atlanta made money on the games.

It might bring in millions but I think the point was just how much more it would've cost. And God forbid if something happened... personally I think there would have been little to gain and a lot to potentially lose for America. And really, which would you rather see in hi-def...Rio or Chicago? lol... It did make for an entertaining day of radio I will say...

JasonF 10-04-09 04:31 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by Rockmjd23 (Post 9751071)
So some dude posts on a blog that he is happy Chicago didn't get it, then quickly changes it, and now that means Republicans are happy that Chicago lost the Olympics? mmk

1. The Weekly Standard is not "some dude on a blog."

2. He quickly changed it from a statement that the Weekly Standard's offices errupted into cheers. He can post whatever he wants on the Weekly Standard blog, but either he was telling the truth and the Standard was cheering for America's defeat, or he was lying because he thought his audience would enjoy hearing about them cheering for America's defeat.

3. Baron of Hell could well have posted links to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, or Sean Hannity, all of which are important voices on the right.

4. All of that said, I do agree that these loud voices are not typical of rank and file Republicans. Unfortunately, the rank and file Republicans are content to keep their mouths shut while the ranting lunatics cheer for America's defeat.

For years, I wondered why so many on the right accused Democrats of hating America and wanting it to fail. Now I know. It's because guys like Limbaugh and Hannity and the staff of the Weekly Standard only love America when there's a Republican in the White House. Why wouldn't they assume the left was the same way?

JasonF 10-04-09 04:36 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by Artman (Post 9751138)
It might bring in millions but I think the point was just how much more it would've cost.

The Los Angeles, Atlanta, and Salt Lake City Olympics both turned profits, and left lasting and valuable improvements to infrastructure in each of those cities. There's no guarantee it would have been the same for Chicago, of course, but those are three strong data points suggesting it was entirely reasonable to expect Chicago could have turned a profit.

kvrdave 10-04-09 05:10 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
Not to worry. Losing the Olympics is good for Obama.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thega...for-obama.aspx

But it's just some blog at some no-name place called Newsweek.

And according the author, the Olympics are always a mess with cost overruns, corruption, infighting, etc., so why would people think the Olympics is a good thing for Chicago. Once they lost the bid, "the liberals" said it was a blessing.....ooops, that's what "the conservatives" said too.

Well.....the conservatives are unamerican and want Obama to fail. :grunt:

Blu Man 10-04-09 05:12 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
No, im not happy, but im not sad either. I honestly don't give a shit.

BKenn01 10-04-09 05:20 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9751219)
1. The Weekly Standard is not "some dude on a blog."

2. He quickly changed it from a statement that the Weekly Standard's offices errupted into cheers. He can post whatever he wants on the Weekly Standard blog, but either he was telling the truth and the Standard was cheering for America's defeat, or he was lying because he thought his audience would enjoy hearing about them cheering for America's defeat.

3. Baron of Hell could well have posted links to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, or Sean Hannity, all of which are important voices on the right.

4. All of that said, I do agree that these loud voices are not typical of rank and file Republicans. Unfortunately, the rank and file Republicans are content to keep their mouths shut while the ranting lunatics cheer for America's defeat.

For years, I wondered why so many on the right accused Democrats of hating America and wanting it to fail. Now I know. It's because guys like Limbaugh and Hannity and the staff of the Weekly Standard only love America when there's a Republican in the White House. Why wouldn't they assume the left was the same way?

Go back to any year of the Bush Administration and the roles were reversed. I didnt hear a lot of condemnation from the other side when all the 911 conspiracies reared their ugly head. It is politics plain and simple.

Supermallet 10-04-09 05:30 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9751227)
The Los Angeles, Atlanta, and Salt Lake City Olympics both turned profits

-ohbfrank-

Ky-Fi 10-04-09 05:44 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
I'm sure that millions of dollars would have been brought to Chicago, and to individuals who, perchance, may have had some hometown political connections to Obama.

Sorry, I suppose I'm just a bit cynical living so close to the Big Dig.

coli 10-04-09 05:46 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
Sadly, the dems would have been happy if Bush were in the same position. This is why I hate the partisans on both sides!

classicman2 10-04-09 06:41 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
The Olympics might bring in millions of dollars. How much profit would there have been?

I don't believe it would create thousands of jobs. Maybe a few thousand temporary jobs.

Dr. Mantle 10-04-09 07:25 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by classicman2 (Post 9751503)
I don't believe it would create thousands of jobs. Maybe a few thousand temporary jobs.

To built an Olympic stadium and various other structures would take two or three years at least. I doubt if any of the thousands of people who would have had those jobs would complain about such "temporary" work.

JasonF 10-04-09 07:28 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9751227)
The Los Angeles, Atlanta, and Salt Lake City Olympics both turned profits.


Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 9751320)
-ohbfrank-

:lol: I originally mentioned Los Angeles and Salt Lake, then I realized I had forgotten about Atlanta. So I added it to my post but forgot to change the word "both."

JasonF 10-04-09 07:35 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by coli (Post 9751359)
Sadly, the dems would have been happy if Bush were in the same position. This is why I hate the partisans on both sides!

True. I remember all the cheering when New York lost its bid for 2012. Democrats were paryting in the street at the defeat of the Republican George Bush and the then-Republican Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Also, in 2008, when President Bush said this:


I want to thank the members of the 2016 Chicago bid to get the Olympics. Listen, Mr. Mayor, you and your committee have put together a great plan. It's a plan that will make America proud.

They say that the Olympics will come to Chicago if we're fortunate enough to be selected, but really it's coming to America, and I can't think of a better city to represent the United States than Chicago.

This is a well thought out venue. There will be -- the athletes will be taken care of. People who will be coming from around the world will find this good city has got fantastic accommodations, great restaurants. It will be safe.

And so I -- this country supports your bid, strongly. And our hope is that the judges will take a good look at Chicago and select Chicago for the 2016 Olympics.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archiv...0080107-3.html

I remember Democrats couldn't stop crapping all over Chicago and insisting that it would be a terrible choice for an Olympic venue.

Spoiler:
People who want to continue to insist that the Democrats are just as bad -- or worse than! -- the Republicans may now proceed to explain why New York 2012 and President Bush's support of Chicago 2016 are nothing like President Obama's support of Chicago 2016. I suggest going with "President Bush didn't personally fly to the IOC meeting to plead for New York or Chicago, so it wasn't really a failure for President Bush" and maybe throw in a few contemptuous references to the Corrupt Chicago Democrat Machine. That ought to do it.

JasonF 10-04-09 07:41 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by classicman2 (Post 9751503)
The Olympics might bring in millions of dollars. How much profit would there have been?

I don't believe it would create thousands of jobs. Maybe a few thousand temporary jobs.

The Salt Lake Olympics brought in $76 million in net profit to state and local government. They also generated $2.1 billion in sales for businesses in and around Salt Lake. They created 35,000 job years.

http://www.imakenews.com/cppa/e_arti....cfm?x=b11,0,w

classicman2 10-04-09 07:42 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by Dr. Mantle (Post 9751565)
To built an Olympic stadium and various other structures would take two or three years at least. I doubt if any of the thousands of people who would have had those jobs would complain about such "temporary" work.

You're somewhat prone to exaggeration - aren't you?

dork 10-04-09 07:46 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9751596)
The Salt Lake Olympics brought in $76 million in net profit to state and local government. They also generated $2.1 billion in sales for businesses in and around Salt Lake. They created 35,000 job years.

Huh, so I bet Chicagoans were pretty strongly for this.

classicman2 10-04-09 07:50 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
How much money did the Athens & Beijing Olympics make?

classicman2 10-04-09 07:54 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 
The only thing of value in Chicago is the Arlington Park Race Course - my favorite track. ;)

X 10-04-09 08:26 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by Rockmjd23 (Post 9751630)
Obama:Chicago::Bush:NYC? There's really no equivalent because Bush didn't come from a 'red' city's political machine. Clearly Bloomberg being a then-Republican meant that NYC was a right-wing stronghold!

Not to mention that Bush didn't go personally begging to the IOC for the games. If he had, there would have been "overwhelming" [as Carter says] pleasure that he personally failed to persuade them. Just imagine if he had tried to get the games in Crawford, his home town.

Jason 10-04-09 08:48 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by coli (Post 9751359)
Sadly, the dems would have been happy if Bush were in the same position. This is why I hate the partisans on both sides!

They would have blamed his incompetence, but I don't think they would find it amusing, to use the same word Bill Kristol did.

JasonF 10-04-09 08:50 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by dork (Post 9751603)
Huh, so I bet Chicagoans were pretty strongly for this.

I presume you know they were split roughly 50-50. You probably also know that a significant proportion of the opposition was coming from the left, and presumably had different motivations from Messrs. Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity's new-found opposition. Finally, I think you're smart enough to recognize that the aforementioned commentators' glee at the results does not come from a dedication to the best interests of the people of Chicago rather than reflexive opposition to the President.

dick_grayson 10-04-09 08:51 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by X (Post 9751648)
Not to mention that Bush didn't go personally begging to the IOC for the games. If he had, there would have been "overwhelming" [as Carter says] pleasure that he personally failed to persuade them. Just imagine if he had tried to get the games in Crawford, his home town.

Chicago and Crawford are a tad different......but I know what you mean. Still, I'm not sure what the issue is here. He was doing this instead of something more important? He was asking and got turned down and that means something somehow? Or this is suppose to negate some of the bad shit Bush did by saying that "If he'd done it...." as if to somehow reach-around excuse the.......near constant vacationing, for example?

Further, can he win? Is there anything he can do that isn't going to be bitched over? I'm not asking you, per se, but when one is constantly crying wolf, it makes legitimate arguments impossible. Obama, thanks to the dems, has barely made a dent in getting his ideas through. I imagine that the Dems will lose Congress in 2010 and he'll really not get shit done. But still, it seems mostly to be argument at all cost. No matter what. Win.

I probably shouldn't have rattled on since I expect one random line to get singled out and my whole point (or stream of consciousness) will be for not.

JasonF 10-04-09 08:55 PM

Re: Republicans happy over Olympic lost?
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9751581)
People who want to continue to insist that the Democrats are just as bad -- or worse than! -- the Republicans may now proceed to explain why New York 2012 and President Bush's support of Chicago 2016 are nothing like President Obama's support of Chicago 2016. I suggest going with "President Bush didn't personally fly to the IOC meeting to plead for New York or Chicago, so it wasn't really a failure for President Bush" and maybe throw in a few contemptuous references to the Corrupt Chicago Democrat Machine. That ought to do it.


Originally Posted by Rockmjd23 (Post 9751630)
Obama:Chicago::Bush:NYC? There's really no equivalent because Bush didn't come from a 'red' city's political machine. Clearly Bloomberg being a then-Republican meant that NYC was a right-wing stronghold!

Contemptuous reference to the Corrupt Chicago Democrat Machine ... check.


Originally Posted by X (Post 9751648)
Not to mention that Bush didn't go personally begging to the IOC for the games. If he had, there would have been "overwhelming" [as Carter says] pleasure that he personally failed to persuade them. Just imagine if he had tried to get the games in Crawford, his home town.

"President Bush didn't personally fly to the IOC meeting to plead for New York or Chicago, so it wasn't really a failure for President Bush" ... check.

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