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Old 04-27-17, 06:40 PM   #451
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

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The Federal Communications Commission is cracking open the net neutrality debate again with a proposal to undo the 2015 rules that implemented net neutrality with Title II classification.

FCC chairman Ajit Pai called the rules “heavy handed” and said their implementation was “all about politics.” He argued that they hurt investment and said that small internet providers don’t have “the means or the margins” to withstand the regulatory onslaught.

“Earlier today I shared with my fellow commissioners a proposal to reverse the mistake of Title II and return to the light touch framework that served us so well during the Clinton administration, Bush administration, and first six years of the Obama administration,” Pai said today.


His proposal will do three things: first, it’ll reclassify internet providers as Title I information services; second, it’ll prevent the FCC from adapting any net neutrality rules to practices that internet providers haven’t thought up yet; and third, it’ll open questions about what to do with several key net neutrality rules — like no blocking or throttling of apps and websites — that were implemented in 2015.

Pai said the full text of his net neutrality proposal would be published tomorrow afternoon. It’ll be voted on by the FCC at a meeting on May 18th. From there, months of debate will follow as the item is opened up for public comment. The commission will then revise its rules based on the feedback it receives before taking a final vote to enact them.

Strong net neutrality rules were passed in 2015 and have been in place for about two years. Those rules reclassified internet providers as “common carriers” under Title II of the Telecommunications Act, which subject them to tough, utility-style regulation.

While the commission didn’t apply many of the traditional utility restrictions — like pricing regulations — the classification was meant to ensure that internet providers would be subject to careful oversight.


The commission mandated that internet providers follow a few key rules: no blocking of sites and apps, no throttling the speed of sites and apps, and no paid fast lanes. The rules applied to both wired and wireless internet providers and also gave the commission oversight of “interconnect” agreements between internet providers and big content companies like Netflix.

Internet providers have, of course, been unhappy about this, as they’d rather not have the FCC looking over their shoulder and limiting what they’re able to do with their network. They sued to overturn the rules, but so far the rules have been held up in court.

Republicans have also been unhappy with the rules, and it’s been clear since Trump was elected that they’d take a shot at reversing them. They view the existing net neutrality rules as heavy handed and believe they limit innovation from internet providers.

One issue they’ve pointed to in particular is investment in broadband networks. There was a slight dip in investment the year net neutrality rules were passed, and Republicans have pointed to that as evidence that these are damaging policies.

During his speech today, Pai claimed Title II classification hurt “low-income, rural, and urban neighborhoods” the most and had the effect of “accelerating the practice of digital redlining,” because these neighborhoods would be the first areas cut when internet providers cut back their spending.

While network investment is an important metric for the FCC to track — it’s responsible for improving access to broadband — it’s hardly the only metric to track how much impact the rules have had. At the end of the day, internet providers are still doing well and have seen their stock prices rise, which suggest investors aren’t as devastated by net neutrality as they let on.

The argument for net neutrality is that the limitations put on internet providers are worth the tradeoff for keeping the internet open. If internet providers have the ability to control or influence which websites you visit, that’ll hugely tip the scales in favor of their own services and the services of existing juggernauts that can pay for access. Netflix, for instance, may have struggled if it had to pay internet providers for fast streaming.

Republicans and internet providers continue to argue that they aren’t actually against net neutrality, they’re just against the Title II classification. While it’s possible to have net neutrality without Title II — common carrier rules are just a way to go about implementing them — the argument gets a lot less convincing when you actually look at what they’re proposing as an alternative.
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Old 05-08-17, 12:01 PM   #452
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

Check out yesterday's John Oliver:


The website they mention (apparently) has been shut down by the FCC:

http://www.gofccyourself.com

Voice your displeasure here:

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Old 05-08-17, 12:53 PM   #453
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

Looks like it's actually .org:

http://gofccyourself.org

Oops. At least that one is working, but it kind of ruins the gesture a bit.
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Old 05-08-17, 02:01 PM   #454
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

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Check out yesterday's John Oliver:

https://youtu.be/92vuuZt7wak

The website they mention (apparently) has been shut down by the FCC:

http://www.gofccyourself.com

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Your link doesn't work with the http:// in front of it. If you open your browser and just enter in gofccyourself.com in the address bar, it works. I went ahead and commented to the FCC from the link. Thanks for posting the video though. John Oliver knocks another one out of the park.
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

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Your link doesn't work with the http:// in front of it.
The original link had http:/ instead of http:// , and when the forum tried to add it in, things got mucked up.
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Old 05-09-17, 01:56 PM   #456
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Try:

http://www.gofccyourself.org

However, I still don't know how to file an actual complaint on there. Could I get some help?
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Old 05-09-17, 02:05 PM   #457
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

You click on the link that reads "+Express" and fill out your info and add a comment in support of net neutrality and title II status.
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Old 05-09-17, 02:34 PM   #458
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

FCC chief's response to the Netflix/Comcast question was the biggest cop out this side of Cop Out.
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Old 05-15-17, 08:07 PM   #459
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As US cable companies push to eliminate or change net neutrality rules, the industry's primary lobby group today released the results of a survey that it says shows "strong bipartisan consensus that the government should let the Internet flourish without imposing burdensome regulations."

But proponents of keeping the current rules can find plenty to like in the survey conducted by NCTA—The Internet & Television Association. A strong majority of the 2,194 registered American voters in the survey support the current net neutrality rules that prohibit ISPs from blocking, throttling, or prioritizing online content in exchange for payment. While most opposed price regulation, a majority supported an approach in which regulators take action against ISPs on a case-by-case basis when consumers are harmed—the exact same approach the Federal Communications Commission uses under its existing net neutrality regime.

About 61 percent of respondents either "strongly" or "somewhat" support net neutrality rules that say ISPs "cannot block, throttle, or prioritize certain content on the Internet." Only 18 percent oppose net neutrality, as the rest don't know what it is or had no opinion.

Technically, this doesn't contradict the official position of major cable companies like Comcast and Charter. These companies say they support the core net neutrality rules, while merely opposing the FCC's use of its common carrier authority under Title II of the Communications Act to enforce them. But the net neutrality rules imposed in 2015 depend on Title II because of a 2014 court decision that prevented the FCC from enforcing the rules without reclassifying ISPs as Title II common carriers.

The first slide in the NCTA survey results trumpets broad support for "light touch" regulation. But instead of signaling broad opposition to Title II, the wording of the question shows that Americans support an approach that's consistent with the one taken by the FCC's then-Democratic leadership in 2015 (and which the FCC's current Republican leadership wants to overturn).

The survey asked, "When it comes to the role of the federal government in regulating access to the Internet, which of the following comes closest to your view, even if none are exactly right?" Just 12 percent answered that "the government should have the ability to set specific prices, terms, and conditions for Internet access," while 53 percent said, "the government should have a light-touch approach to the Internet that allows regulators to monitor the marketplace and take action if consumers are harmed." The only other option people could choose was, "the government should not regulate the Internet at all."

Full article and results of the survey here: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...omments=1&vs=b
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Old 05-17-17, 03:46 PM   #460
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

Vote on Net Neutrality is tomorrow! Contact your representatives if you want to continue to have a free and open Internet!
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Old 05-17-17, 03:54 PM   #461
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Re: FCC to enact "Net Neutrality" [UPDATE: DEAD NET WALKING]

I used to worry about stuff like this.

Now I feel like anything passed now, in this baby hands sized Trump era, is going to be seen as toxic and more easily repealed post 2018.
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Old 05-17-17, 04:20 PM   #462
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lol Net Neutrality since 2009. It's 2017 and I give no fucks anymore. Whatever happens, happens.
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Old 05-17-17, 04:59 PM   #463
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Yep, looking forward to paying more to watch Netflix. It's so "pro-consumer" I want to scream.
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Old 05-17-17, 05:39 PM   #464
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Let it all fucking crumble; internet, health care, basic human services - it's the only way these fucktards who voted for Trump will ever learn... if we survive.
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Old 05-18-17, 03:50 PM   #465
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The Federal Communications Commission voted 2-1 today to start the process of eliminating net neutrality rules and the classification of home and mobile Internet service providers as common carriers under Title II of the Communications Act.

The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) proposes eliminating the Title II classification and seeks comment on what, if anything, should replace the current net neutrality rules. But Chairman

Ajit Pai is making no promises about reinstating the two-year-old net neutrality rules that forbid ISPs from blocking or throttling lawful Internet content or prioritizing content in exchange for payment. Pai's proposal argues that throttling websites and applications might somehow help Internet users.


The FCC plans to take comments on its plan until August 16 (the docket is available here) and then make a final decision sometime after that.

The net neutrality rules were approved in February 2015 when Republicans were in the commission's minority. Today, Pai and fellow Republican Michael O'Rielly voted in favor of the plan to eliminate the rules while Democrat Mignon Clyburn voted to preserve them.

"The Internet was not broken in 2015" before the rules were imposed, Pai said today before the vote. "We were not living in a digital dystopia. Nonetheless, the FCC that year succumbed to partisan pressure from the White House and changed course." The rules imposed new regulatory burdens on ISPs both large and small, he said. The Title II rules also raised "the possibility of broadband rate regulation," making ISPs hesitate before building or expanding networks, he said.

The fear of rate regulation on consumer broadband services is based on hypotheticals, because the FCC has not imposed any rate regulation on home or mobile broadband.

O'Rielly today said that he dissented from the net neutrality vote in 2015 "because I was not persuaded based on the record before us that there was evidence of harm to businesses or consumers that warranted the adoption of the net neutrality rules, much less the imposition of heavy-handed Title II regulation on broadband providers."

Pro-net neutrality group Free Press recently published an updated list of alleged net neutrality violations by ISPs through the years.

"This is the beginning of the process, not the end," Pai said. After taking public comment for 90 days, the FCC "will follow the facts and law where they take us," Pai said. He also said the FCC will conduct a "credible cost-benefit analysis" before making final policy decisions.

The FCC "will not rely on hyperbolic statements about the end of the Internet as we know it, and 140-character argle-bargle, but rather on the data," Pai said.

Besides overturning the Title II classification, the NPRM "proposes to eliminate the catch-all Internet conduct standard created by the Title II Order," the FCC's announcement of the vote said. "Because the Internet conduct standard is extremely vague and expansive, ISPs must guess at what they are permitted to do. Eliminating the Internet conduct standard is therefore expected to promote innovation and network investment by eliminating regulatory uncertainty."
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I used to worry about stuff like this.

Now I feel like anything passed now, in this baby hands sized Trump era, is going to be seen as toxic and more easily repealed post 2018.
I need to make a correction.

Not repealed...nullified.
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I have a feel that this, like the repeal of Glass-Steagall is not going to be undone due to public apathy and ignorance...the stuff the GOP thrive on.
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Old 05-20-17, 12:32 PM   #468
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It's up to us to fight this, because the Democrats won't don't it. They're in the pocket of major telecommunications companies too.
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Old 05-20-17, 02:21 PM   #469
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I have a feel that this, like the repeal of Glass-Steagall is not going to be undone due to public apathy and ignorance...the stuff the GOP thrive on.
Anything instituted by this (current) President, and any appointments (like Gorsuch or Pai) are going to be rendered invalid after all this shakes out.
It's going to fall at the hands of the interim President to make reappointments of the current seated individuals- and given what the state of the Congress is going to look like at that point, many of these people will not get confirmed.

A breathtakingly universal re-alignment is coming- both physical in terms of players, as well as existential in terms of attitudes.

As Obama said, with specific foreshadowing, on his way out the door- "The arc of moral history is long, but it bends towards Justice"
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You can't seriously believe that Gorsuch will lose his seat on SCOTUS if Trump is impeached?
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Old 05-20-17, 06:51 PM   #471
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Yes.

Take it to the bank and cash it.
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Yes.

Take it to the bank and cash it.
I will bet you $100 that Gorsuch is on the Supreme Court until he dies or voluntarily retires. The only way he's impeached is if he himself does something impeachable. There are no take-backs on judicial appointments (how many of Richard Nixon's post-1972 judicial appointments were impeached?)
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Old 05-20-17, 08:04 PM   #473
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What about when the election totals are revealed to have been compromised, and the appointer and many of the confirmers are revealed to be guilty of treason and sedition?
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They still won't want to upset all 3 branches of government No one has claimed that Gorsuch was tainted in the Russia scandal, or that he isn't qualified to be on the court.
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The person who appointed him was never legitimately elected. The court knows this right now.

When that information is made common knowledge, I do not see how the court can maintain it's credibility by keeping him or even allowing him the courtesy of stepping down.
Trump is not a valid office holder therefore none of his appointments will be seen as valid

And that's being kind...the appointment made by a criminal and traitor, not to mention confirmed by many of the same, will have a monumental stench associated to him that can not be aired out with time. The public would never allow it
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