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Venusian 09-11-09 09:30 AM

The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
I thought we had one but I can't find it.


The latest raucous seems to be about a girl who posed as a prostitute who wanted to bring in underage girls (amongst other things) to start a business and an Acorn employee helped her with her taxes and other things.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/....prostitution/


(CNN) -- Two employees at the Baltimore, Maryland, branch of the liberal community organizing group ACORN were caught on tape allegedly offering advice to a pair posing as a pimp and prostitute on setting up a prostitution ring and evading the IRS.

The footage, which appears to have been edited in places, was recorded and posted online Thursday.

The video footage -- which has been edited and goes to black in some areas -- was recorded and and posted online Thursday by James O'Keefe, a conservative activist. He was joined on the video by another conservative, Hannah Giles, who posed as the prostitute in the filmmakers' undercover sting.

The video shows the pair approaching two women working at the ACORN Baltimore office and asking them for advice on how to set up a prostitution ring involving more than a dozen underage girls from El Salvador.

One of the ACORN workers suggests that Giles refer to herself as a "performing artist" on tax forms and declare some of the girls as dependents to receive child tax credits.

"Stop saying prostitution," the woman, identified by the filmmaker as an ACORN tax expert, tells Giles. The other woman tells them, "You want to keep them clean ... make sure they go to school." Video Watch tape of alleged advice on prostitution

Both women appear enthusiastic to help.

Calls to ACORN's Baltimore offices were not immediately returned Thursday. A local spokeswoman told The Associated Press that both employees seen in the video were fired.

"The portrayal is false and defamatory and an attempt at 'gotcha journalism,' " said Scott Levenson, a spokesman at ACORN's national offices. "This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further."

The conservative filmmakers unsuccessfully attempted similar ruses at the group's offices in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Los Angeles, California, and New York, Levenson said.

Law enforcement officials in the Baltimore area wouldn't confirm whether they are investigating the alleged incident at the local ACORN office. However, authorities said that under Maryland law, such undercover video may not be admissible in court as evidence.

CNN attempted to reach O'Keefe and Giles; O'Keefe was not available for comment and Giles canceled an interview scheduled for Thursday.

ACORN -- an acronym for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- made headlines last year when Republican groups seized on allegations of voter registration fraud by the group in Florida and several other states, claiming its workers were trying to push the election in Barack Obama's favor.

On Wednesday, arrest warrants were issued for 11 Florida voter registration workers suspected of submitting false information on hundreds of voter registration cards, according to court documents. The Florida investigation was triggered by ACORN officials who noticed irregularities in forms they were receiving.
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Founded in 1970, ACORN calls itself "the nation's largest grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people." The group says it has more than 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities.

Besides voter registration, the group focuses on issues such as predatory lending, minimum wage and funding for public schools, according to its Web site. It also provides free tax-return preparation for low-income people and screening for state and federal benefit programs.

BALTIMORE (AP) The nonprofit housing group ACORN has fired two employees at its Baltimore office who were seen on hidden-camera video giving advice to a man posing as a pimp and a woman pretending to be a prostitute.
Guess it wasn't too false.



Transcript:
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/10/...on-transcript/

Video (i think it's edited):
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Ky-Fi 09-11-09 09:37 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
"This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further."

The conservative filmmakers unsuccessfully attempted similar ruses at the group's offices in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Los Angeles, California, and New York, Levenson said...


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Offhand, I'd like to see videos or transcripts of the incidents at the other ACORN offices before I accepted Levenson's implication that the behavior of the ACORN people at the other offices was exemplary.

nemein 09-11-09 09:38 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
I thought the thread was going to be about this:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/..._voter_fraud_2

ACORN turns in Fla. workers on voter fraud charges
AP

By CURT ANDERSON, AP Legal Affairs Writer Curt Anderson, Ap Legal Affairs Writer – Wed Sep 9, 12:36 pm ET

MIAMI – Armed with a tip from the grassroots group ACORN about its own workers, authorities on Wednesday began arresting 11 people suspected of falsifying hundreds of voter applications during a registration drive last year.

ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, has long been accused by Republican and conservative activists — fed by talk-radio hosts — of fraudulently registering voters. But Miami-Dade prosecutors gave credit to the group for coming forward and ACORN officials said they felt vindicated.

"It shows that we take the integrity of our voter registration work with the utmost seriousness," said ACORN spokesman Brian Kettenring. "We turn in people who try to game the system."

Although ACORN is nonpartisan [:lol:], its registration efforts focus on low-income and minority populations who tend to vote for Democrats; critics contend those efforts frequently bend or break registration rules. At times during the 2008 presidential campaign, people attending rallies for Republican nominee John McCain broke into chants of "No More ACORN!"

Last year, ACORN's national drive produced some 1.3 million voter applications.

ACORN first detected problems in Miami-Dade County in June 2008, according to a letter the group wrote to prosecutors. Investigators eventually determined that 11 canvassers, who were paid between $8 and $10 an hour, were turning in fake registration cards, mostly from the Homestead area.

"This is really about money. These are people who decided not to work," said Ed Griffith, spokesman for Miami-Dade State Attorney Katharine Fernandez Rundle.

The 11 workers each face multiple counts of two felony charges: false swearing in connection with voting and submission of false voter registration information. Each count is punishable by up to five years in prison.

The suspects collectively turned in about 1,400 registration cards, of which 888 were later found to be faked. Some contained names of celebrities such as actor Paul Newman, while in other cases the same real voter's name was used on multiple applications. There was no evidence anyone voted who should not have.

The FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement had made five arrests by midday and were looking for the remaining suspects. ACORN officials said the group regularly reports suspected fraud to authorities nationwide but the Miami prosecution marks one of the few times the complaints were taken seriously.

ACORN itself last year was the subject of fraudulent registration complaints in Missouri, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Ohio, Michigan and North Carolina, among others.

Th0r S1mpson 09-11-09 09:41 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
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"It figures..."

DeputyDave 09-11-09 09:42 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
Community activism at its best. The ACORN doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Venusian 09-11-09 09:44 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
The bottom of page 18 on the transcript is where the talk of underage girls comes in. The tell the employee they are bringing in 13 girls that are 15 or so for prostitution and the employee tells them how to cover it up. Seriously disgusting.

Brack 09-11-09 10:33 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
We found the next Borat.

Strange and disturbing indeed. They fired them, deservedly so.

DeputyDave 09-11-09 10:40 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by Brack (Post 9701611)
We found the next Borat.

Strange and disturbing indeed. They fired them, deservedly so.

The real question is whether its an abnormality or business as usual for ACORN. How many fuck ups does this organization get before they are cut off from the government tit?

JasonF 09-11-09 10:43 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by Brack (Post 9701611)
We found the next Borat.

Strange and disturbing indeed. They fired them, deservedly so.

And that proves just how evil ACORN is. The proper response to discovering an employee is breaking the law in a way that is embarassing to the organization is to cover it up. Death to ACORN!!!!

DeputyDave 09-11-09 10:45 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9701637)
And that proves just how evil ACORN is. The proper response to discovering an employee is breaking the law in a way that is embarassing to the organization is to cover it up. Death to ACORN!!!!

You're right, as this is their first "mistake" lets give them another chance.

RoyalTea 09-11-09 11:02 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
Once the video became public, ACORN promptly fired the two workers, though it's hard to know how seriously to take the organization's reaction. Baltimore ACORN board chairman Sonja Merchant-Jones told WJZ-TV that "We've investigated and we found nothing that they did to be illegal. Absolutely zero." Really? Advising someone to claim girls trafficked into the country illegally as sex workers as dependents on her tax returns?

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news...d_tax_eva.html

Brack 09-11-09 11:08 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 9701631)
The real question is whether it’s an abnormality or business as usual for ACORN. How many fuck ups does this organization get before they are cut off from the government tit?

That's the real question? I would've fired these women for being so stupid to trust a white dude in a pimp outfit. ;)

Venusian 09-11-09 11:16 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
Maybe it is just me but I think child sex trafficking is a terrible thing. I don't take these women's actions lightly.

Birrman54 09-11-09 11:19 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
Ah you all are so unfamiliar with Baltimore ;)

I really have no problem with any of this until the underage prostitutes were 'introduced' into the discussion. I guarantee it's not the first prostitute who has wandered into the ACORN Baltimore office in search of housing.

It's simply practical economics not to report all that cash income, it'd be the same if it were a waiter - why would they encourage him to report his tips as taxable income.

Also, the entire bit felt like a Jerky Boys routine. The costumes were one thing, but then they're talking about a baker's dozen of underage hookers. The only explanation for the ACORN people being so credulous is they must see some crazy people in any given week.

kvrdave 09-11-09 11:20 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9701637)
And that proves just how evil ACORN is. The proper response to discovering an employee is breaking the law in a way that is embarassing to the organization is to cover it up. Death to ACORN!!!!

Easy now. This is the first time I believe ACORN ever put down their Bibles long enough to do anything that wasn't pure.

Tracer Bullet 09-11-09 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Venusian (Post 9701746)
Maybe it is just me but I think child sex trafficking is a terrible thing.

:eek:

You, sir, are a monster.

JasonF 09-11-09 11:33 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 9701759)
Easy now. This is the first time I believe ACORN ever put down their Bibles long enough to do anything that wasn't pure.

Any large organization is going to have bad apples. The fact that ACORN hired these two idiots who would counsel people on child prostitution -- and then fired them when they found out about it -- proves what? What should ACORN have done differently? If you found out that something similar had happened at your favorite organization, would you condemn the entire organization as you are condemning ACORN?

Brack 09-11-09 11:34 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by Venusian (Post 9701746)
Maybe it is just me but I think child sex trafficking is a terrible thing. I don't take these women's actions lightly.

Who here said that? How is firing these women taking their actions lightly?

RoyalTea 09-11-09 11:38 AM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9701805)
Any large organization is going to have bad apples. The fact that ACORN hired these two idiots who would counsel people on child prostitution -- and then fired them when they found out about it -- proves what? What should ACORN have done differently? If you found out that something similar had happened at your favorite organization, would you condemn the entire organization as you are condemning ACORN?

Baltimore ACORN board chairman Sonja Merchant-Jones told WJZ-TV that "We've investigated and we found nothing that they did to be illegal. Absolutely zero."

kvrdave 09-11-09 12:10 PM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9701805)
Any large organization is going to have bad apples. The fact that ACORN hired these two idiots who would counsel people on child prostitution -- and then fired them when they found out about it -- proves what? What should ACORN have done differently? If you found out that something similar had happened at your favorite organization, would you condemn the entire organization as you are condemning ACORN?

Agreed. Especially non partisan groups like this.

nemein 09-11-09 12:13 PM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 

Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 9701942)
Agreed. Especially non partisan groups like this.

Keep this up and Wilson will be calling you out too -ptth-

TheBigDave 09-11-09 12:17 PM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
Here's new videos from the Acorn office in Washington DC:


One day after two ACORN officials in Baltimore were fired for offering to help a man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute to engage in child prostitution and a series of tax crimes, another secretly shot videotape has surfaced that shows the same couple getting similar advice from ACORN officers in Washington.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html
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cpgator 09-11-09 12:33 PM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
Just a few more bad apples... Nothing to see here.

Th0r S1mpson 09-11-09 12:37 PM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
This isn't the ACORN that Obama knew.

DeputyDave 09-11-09 12:42 PM

re: The ACORN thread (Update: ACORN disbanding - post 453)
 
Of course our liberal posters will continue to defend them. If a conservative group got in half the trouble ACORN did I would be howling for them to be shut down (or at least lose their public funds) out of embarrassment.


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