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Old 01-19-10, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by classicman2 View Post
Freshmen senators most often vote with the leadership.
Olympia Snowe's party unity score in the 104th Congress: 78.57%.
Ben Nelson's in the 107th: 75.9%

75% seems reasonable. 90% does not.
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Re: MA special election (Was: RIP Ted Kennedy..)

If Brown does win some Blue Dogs are probably going to think twice before they vote on Obama's agenda - at least the ones that don't have broad public support.

Of course a number of them are probably already have second thoughts.
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Health care is the big hubbub right now, and rightfully so. But more than that, this would rattle an entire year's worth of legislation.

This would be an incredible shock to the Dem's system and cut short what they were counting on as a time to really move agendas forward without meaningful opposition.

If they are forced to bring in Republican support, it does much more than make votes more difficult. It will change the dynamic of how they need to interrelate. Indeed, it could very well set the stage for meaningful opposition when Obama comes up for re-election.

Things were already likely to move in the direction of the Republicans over the next few years. This would be one heck of a wrench in the current machine, however.
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Ideally, Obama would pull a Clinton and move towards the middle. But I don't think Obama knows where that is.
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John Ratzenberger (Cliff Claven from Cheers) remarks at a recent Brown rally:

This isn't the Democratic party of our fathers and grandfathers. This is the party of Woodstock hippies. I was at Woodstock — I built the stage. And when everything fell apart, and people were fighting for peanut-butter sandwiches, it was the National Guard who came in and saved the same people who were protesting them. So when Hillary Clinton a few years ago wanted to build a Woodstock memorial, I said it should be a statue of a National Guardsman feeding a crying hippie.

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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
Ideally, Obama would pull a Clinton and move towards the middle. But I don't think Obama knows where that is.
Advice for the president - swallow pride - let his health care proposal die a peaceful death - get to the real problem - jobs.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
Ideally, Obama would pull a Clinton and move towards the middle. But I don't think Obama knows where that is.
Obama (as a US Senator) was only a shade to the left of Bill Clinton.I imagine he's erased that gap in his first year as president.
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Advice for the president - swallow pride - let his health care proposal die a peaceful death - get to the real problem - jobs.
Writing as someone who doesn't care much one way or the other, Obama should absolutely deliver on his primary domestic policy promise, which was health care reform.
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Originally Posted by classicman2 View Post
Advice for the president - swallow pride - let his health care proposal die a peaceful death - get to the real problem - jobs.
If Brown is somehow elected and the health care bill dies, "peaceful death" is the last thing I would expect. The Dems will hype it up for the mid term election and say that the Reps killed the bill.... never mind the majority of the people in the country seem to be against it.
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Writing as someone who doesn't care much one way or the other, Obama should absolutely deliver on his primary domestic policy promise, which was health care reform.
There are many other ways to reform the system in ways that'll actually work than what this bill seems to propose.
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There are many other ways to reform the system in ways that'll actually work than what this bill seems to propose.
Oh, to be sure, I think the bill(s) are both pretty bad, but I don't think we can expect anything better.

(But we have another thread to discuss that.)
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Originally Posted by TheBigDave View Post
John Ratzenberger (Cliff Claven from Cheers) remarks at a recent Brown rally:
That's pretty funny.
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Obama was only a shade to the left of Bill Clinton.
On the color chart?
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http://voteview.com/
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That's pretty funny.
Shut up Hollywood celebrity and stick to acting, blah blah blah, etc., etc.
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Kvrdave's not really a celebrity, is he?
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He's a celebrity but not a Hollywood celebrity
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For some reason this is already over ...




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Do you know anybody who does think he will win?
Yes, me, the Democratic Party and apparantely a lot of people who live in Massachusetts.
I was in Massachusetts for the past 4 days.
Everywhere you looked you saw Scott Brown signs on lawns.
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Now, if the final numbers end up matching these, the Republicans may really have reason to question the integrity of the process...



I mean, they'd atleast change the numbers up a little...right?
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I mean, they'd atleast change the numbers up a little...right?
You would think so - I mean 1 percent is a bad sign to the others across the country.
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I'm reading through this thread and looking at all the news reports, and it occurs to me that I don't want either candidate to win.
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Originally Posted by chrisih8u View Post
Did Keith Olbermann really say this last night?

"In Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees."
They've been playing this clip all day on the conservative talk radio station in Boston---not sure it's having the impact Keith intended.
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Did Keith Olbermann really say this last night?

"In Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees."

edit: I just saw it on youtube. Nice.
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Joe Scarborough is going after a fellow MSNBC host, calling out "Countdown" host Keith Olbermann for saying Scott Brown — the Republican Senate nominee in Massachusetts — is “homophobic” and a “racist.”

Speaking during his “special comment” Monday night, Olbermann folded nearly all of the negative attacks Democrats have tried to pin to Brown in recent days into one scathing rant.

“You have heard Scott Brown speculating, talking out of his bare bottom, about whether or not the president of the United States was born out of wedlock,” Olbermann said of the Republican who is leading in the polls against Democrat Martha Coakley in the race to replace the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.). “You have heard Scott Brown respond to the shout from a supporter that they should stick a curling iron into Ms. Coakley's rectum with the answer, ‘We can do this.’”

“You may not have heard Scott Brown support a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, or describing two women having a child as being quote, ‘just not normal,'” he continued. “You may not have heard Scott Brown associating himself with the tea party movement, perhaps the saddest collection of people who don't want to admit why they really hate since the racists of the South in the '60s insisted they were really just concerned about states' rights.”

Summing up his case against Brown, Olbermann concluded, “in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude-model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees.”

Soon after the broadcast, Scarborough, the host of “Morning Joe,” responded on Twitter, calling Olbermann’s attack “sad.”

“It is no longer enough to simply disagree with someone. These days some feel the need to call opponents evil. It happens on both extremes,” Scarborough tweeted. “Just as when [Glenn] Beck called the President racist, this sort of rhetorical extremism must be discouraged. It cheapens the debate.”

“How reckless and how sad,” he added. “I called out Beck repeatedly this summer. I called out [Rush] Limbaugh last week. I call out both sides all the time.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz0d5Q7m93j

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The Democrats hype it?

Most of the American people are opposed to the health care bill.

Ah - you might hype it for a week or two - but then let the hyping cease. It's not good politics.

Learn from George W. Bush.

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Originally Posted by Ky-Fi View Post
They've been playing this clip all day on the conservative talk radio station in Boston---not sure it's having the impact Keith intended.
Assuming Brown wins, I wonder if Olbermann has the balls to name himself ( cue echo: ) "Worst Person In the World"?

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