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Old 07-21-09, 10:20 PM
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Afterbirther Movement (long form released)

If anyone saw Hardball tonight, you might have seen the clip on the Birther movement. The people who dispute that the President is illegally elected because he is not an American citizen. They contend that Obama's birth certificate is a fraud. Here is a recent townhall with a United States Congressman and an out of control birther:



This is Chris Matthews confronting a different Congressman who is sponsoring a bill to require candidates to authenticate their birth certificate, etc. This is obviously a play to the nutty birther movement and Matthews destroys him on his show. Start at the 2:00 mark.



The conspiracy revolves around people who insist Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. This has been debunked repeatedly. Snopes The fact that the right is giving legitimacy to this issue is feeding the kind of lunacy in that first clip.



I just recently got my birth certificate and it pretty much looks like this one.

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Re: Birther Movement

Looks fake to me
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They swear this is the real one.

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The people who dispute that the President is illegally elected because he is not an American citizen.
Personally, I can't believe anyone disputes that he was illegally elected.
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Re: Birther Movement

Apropos of this thread, I came across this earlier today:

Should The GOP Take The Birther Threat Seriously? Rush Does....
That's the thesis of the First Readers of NBC News, after viewing this astonishing clip from a town hall meeting that Rep. Mike Castle held in Delaware for his constituents. What's most notable, to me, at least, is not how scared Castle looked or how passionately the woman argued for Barack Obama's foreign birth. It was the reaction of the audience, a good portion of which erupted into cheers and youbetchas. Birthers, for the uninitiated, is a term used by the media to ridicule those who believe that the president's Hawaiian birth certificate is fake and that because he was ostensibly born in Kenya, not the United States, he was never eligible to be president in the first place. To the extent that one can conclusively prove such things in our postmodern age, this claim has been extremely thoroughly debunked. The birther movement may be premised on a fictional belief, but it is savvy: birthers now wear the term "birther" as badge of honor, as if they were a persecuted minority -- which, come to think of it, is one mechanism for solidarity in the face of evidence to the contrary. ("Hitler had the "Untermenschen," Pol Pot had the "Intelligentsia," and now Obama has the "Birther.") The most prominent birthers are Alan Keyes, the former presidential candidate and Obama Senate challenger; Orly Tait, a wonderfully named lawyer from California; Phil Berg, a Democrat; and Michael Reagan, son of Ronald Reagan, and a prominent radio talk show host. This is, at once, a fringe movement and something greater. It's fringe because no important Republicans believe it, and most are offended by it. It's greater because some fairly prominent local lawmakers are beginning to sign birther petitions.


At least nine members of Congress have cosponsored a birther bill that would require prospective presidents to affirm their U.S. citizenship. What we don't know is how widespread the belief is among Republicans -- and even if the belief is confined to a narrow minority, whether the belief will spread as Republicans begin to pay closer attention to electoral politics in 2010 and 2012. In the same way that Democrats in 2004 always got a stolen election question (which, to be fair, was at least closer to reality than the birther's claims), Republican presidential candidates need to figure out how to diffuse angry birthers who are bound to show up and demand their attention. .... The buried lede to this post: Rush Limbaugh claimed today that Obama "has yet to prove that he's a citizen." Republicans have to be extra careful. If they give credence to the birthers, they're (not only advancing ignorance but also) betraying the narrowness of their base. If they dismiss this growing movement, they might drive birthers to find more extreme candidates, which will fragment a Republican political coalition.
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009..._rush_does.php

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Given how often people report what Rush says which turns out to be a misrepresentation, I don't think I'll put much faith in that.
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I can see Rush giving them attention. It's sad that members of Congress give these nuts attention. Sounds like a bunch of carbon blobs who don't care for Obama for one reason or another and aren't intelligent enough to discuss/argue important issues.
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I heard some argument that the registrar's seal (not the State Seal at the top of the bc) was not present.
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It's on the back.

Lou Dobbs' also supports the movement.

I love the part in the Snopes article that says some say he is hiding his real birth certificate which denotes his faith as Muslim and that his middle name is Mohammed.
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Obama in his evil lair: "Mua ha ha ha ha. My plan to take over the United States is almost complete! But first, I must hide my middle name of 'Mohammed', and replace with something less sinister and more docile. How about 'Hussein'? What say you, flying monkeys?"

Monkeys: Yessssss, yesssss. Goooooooooood!
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Don't people have better things to do with their time?
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It's on the back.

Lou Dobbs' also supports the movement.

I love the part in the Snopes article that says some say he is hiding his real birth certificate which denotes his faith as Muslim and that his middle name is Mohammed.
Could you furnish the forum with a copy of that seal on the back?
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Don't people have better things to do with their time?
Don't you have better things to do with your time than post on the subject?
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I have no doubt that a cursory glance of classicman's post history will include similar requests for information on the citizenship status on other presidents and major candidates.
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Could you furnish the forum with a copy of that seal on the back?


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classicman, a Birther?
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Re: Birther Movement

There's also this little tidbit:



Unless there was more than one Barak H. Obama who had a son born in Hawaii on the same day. I know it's not an official document, but it's certainly supporting evidence to the official certificate provided by the state.
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I have no doubt that a cursory glance of classicman's post history will include similar requests for information on the citizenship status on other presidents and major candidates.
There hasn't been any president in the past that has had this controversy.
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I see the registrar's signature and emobossed seal.

That's primary proof of age and citizenship.

btw: Newspaper announcements of birth are not a primary of age or citizenship.
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There hasn't been any president in the past that has had this controversy.
Why is that?
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Don't you have better things to do with your time than post on the subject?
If you played sheep, you would already know the answer to that question.
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Why is that?
I'll play your silly game - why?
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I'll play your silly game - why?
I think it's rather obvious.

Do you think John McCain would be going through this (with his Panana Canal zone issue) had he won?

I can't believe this is being argued.
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I'll play your silly game - why?
I don't know. I'm assuming there's some damning evidence somebody found that showed that Obama wasn't a citizen, since no other candidate in the 2008 election has undergone this level of scrutiny. Not even John McCain, who was born in Panama.
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There hasn't been any president in the past that has had this controversy.
What controversy? He has a birth certificate from the United States. What is the controversy?

I just sent for my birth certificate to get a passport. There is no difference between what I got in the mail and that one. Am I going to be challenged now?
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I can't believe this is being argued.
Sadly, I can believe it. But my expectations are quite low in certain ways.

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