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Old 10-13-08, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
I think that as well. I think someone at harvard or Hawaii who was a supporter of hers would leak the info if it was that damning.
I go by the FoxNews test. If there was a single electron's-worth of POSSIBILITY of truth to the matter, then you would see Sean Hannity all over it like he was about "Iran is a tiny country", Rev Wright, and Bill Ayers. The fact that he, Laura Ingraham, and Ann Coulter are silent on the matter is ironclad proof that the claim is completely false.
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Maybe they think it's their ace in the hole, so they are saving it for elections-eve.
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What would happen if it did come out that he wasn't a citizen? Would McCain automatically become President, or would there be some sort of special election (depending on the timing)?
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Old 10-13-08, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by starman9000 View Post
Maybe they think it's their ace in the hole, so they are saving it for elections-eve.
yeah, and maybe Hillary was going to wage a floor fight at the convention for the nomination.
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Old 10-13-08, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sracer View Post
yeah, and maybe Hillary was going to wage a floor fight at the convention for the nomination.
I heard she did, but the liberal media covered it up so "the messiah" still got the nomination.

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Old 10-13-08, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sracer View Post
I go by the FoxNews test. If there was a single electron's-worth of POSSIBILITY of truth to the matter, then you would see Sean Hannity all over it like he was about "Iran is a tiny country", Rev Wright, and Bill Ayers. The fact that he, Laura Ingraham, and Ann Coulter are silent on the matter is ironclad proof that the claim is completely false.
Very good point
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Old 10-13-08, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by starman9000 View Post
What would happen if it did come out that he wasn't a citizen? Would McCain automatically become President, or would there be some sort of special election (depending on the timing)?
I think the DNC would go to court to be able to put someone else on the ballot. I think they would have to do that because most states have already printed ballots and require the nominee to be picked by a certain date (which has passed).
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Old 10-13-08, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
I think the DNC would go to court to be able to put someone else on the ballot. I think they would have to do that because most states have already printed ballots and require the nominee to be picked by a certain date (which has passed).
Yeah it would be a mess. A court case in multiple states. Maybe they could still vote for the same ballot and Biden would just become Pres. All I know is, it would make us all miss the good old days of hanging chads.
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Old 10-13-08, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
I am not refuting the birth certificate, though others are. I don't believe this conspiracy. I am wondering why Obama wouldn't allow some news organization to get his certificate, or why he wouldn't tell Hawaii to let it out. I am also wondering why he wouldn't release his school records.
"I am not questioning the birth certificate that is out there. I am just wondering why Obama won't let his birth certificate out there."

Seriously, maybe I'm missing something, but what you are saying with respect to the birth certificate makes no sense at all to me.

I wasn't aware there was any issue with his school records. Are you just wanting him to release his transcripts, or is there some scandal there too ("Obama majored in socialism with a minor in killing whitey! And he got an A+ in Baby Killing 101!")?
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Old 10-13-08, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by darkflounder View Post
FactCheck.org is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.

http://www.factcheck.org/about/

The Annenberg Foundation was also a primary funder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago...berg_Challenge

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was co-founded by William Ayers (yes, that William Ayers) and in 1995, selected Barack Obama (yes, THAT Barack Obama) to be the chairman of the Board of Directors.

Sorry, FactCheck.org is just a little too close to the source to be considered valid and unbiased.

Besides, this lawsuit would be easily dismissed by the submission of Obama's birth certificate and any paperwork proving that his mother or step-father did not change his citizenship when he went to Indonesia. The fact that they filed for a dismissal seems to bolster the case.
I'm guessing you don't normally read factcheck.org. They are about as unbiased a source as you can come up with these days.
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Old 10-13-08, 05:46 PM
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Don't know if this helps or hurts what you are looking for, but I did find this interesting site:

http://www.obamacrimes.com/
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Old 10-13-08, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
"I am not questioning the birth certificate that is out there. I am just wondering why Obama won't let his birth certificate out there."

Seriously, maybe I'm missing something, but what you are saying with respect to the birth certificate makes no sense at all to me.
All I am saying is that if there were a lawsuit against me from someone who seems as reputable as the former AG of Penn, then I would do more than put a copy on my website if that didn't satisfy him. If it were Sean Hannity, I wouldn't.

I wasn't aware there was any issue with his school records. Are you just wanting him to release his transcripts, or is there some scandal there too ("Obama majored in socialism with a minor in killing whitey! And he got an A+ in Baby Killing 101!")?
The issue, as I understand it, is that it shows his citizenship status.
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Old 10-13-08, 06:15 PM
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Why aren't people calling for John McCain to release his birth certificate? His citizenship is much more shaky than Obama's (although neither should be taken into question).
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Old 10-13-08, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Why aren't people calling for John McCain to release his birth certificate? His citizenship is much more shaky than Obama's (although neither should be taken into question).
As I saw in the video, he did release his, and he is fine because his dad was in the military.
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Old 10-13-08, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Why aren't people calling for John McCain to release his birth certificate? His citizenship is much more shaky than Obama's (although neither should be taken into question).
Even forgetting the American soil thing, how could there be any question if he's born to two Americans while they're in another country and he didn't take up citizenship in that other country?
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Old 10-13-08, 06:21 PM
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Yet, somehow there's a question if a guy is born in HAWAII.
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Old 10-13-08, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Yet, somehow there's a question if a guy is born in HAWAII.
IF it is true that Indonesia only allowed citizens to attend school and didn't allow dual citizenship, I think there is a question.

I think the requirements for being POTUS would need to be ammended if something that stupid kept someone from taking the job, though.
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Old 10-13-08, 06:30 PM
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Since we're on the topic of people not born in the United States.

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Old 10-13-08, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Yet, somehow there's a question if a guy is born in HAWAII.
I'm not sure and I'm not going to look it up, but I don't think Hawaii became a state until sometime in the mid-'70s. That would mean that Obama isn't a citizen unless children born before that date were somehow grandfathered in!

<this was sarcasm>
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Yet, somehow there's a question if a guy is born in HAWAII.
I think the question was whether he was born in Hawaii.
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt View Post
Since we're on the topic of people not born in the United States.


Step 1 - read thread.
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Originally Posted by Mordred View Post
I'm not sure and I'm not going to look it up, but I don't think Hawaii became a state until sometime in the mid-'70s. That would mean that Obama isn't a citizen unless children born before that date were somehow grandfathered in!

<this was sarcasm>
It just makes Barack Obama Puerto Rican.
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Old 10-13-08, 06:43 PM
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I always thought that requirement in the Constitution was a bit stupid. It seems contrary to the general disdain Americans have for privileges granted by accident of birth.

Wasn't there some question as to whether McCain qualifies as a "natural born citizen". If it's just an issue of making sure the candidates are constitutionally qualified to be president, why isn't Berg pursuing that as well?
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Old 10-13-08, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sracer View Post
I go by the FoxNews test. If there was a single electron's-worth of POSSIBILITY of truth to the matter, then you would see Sean Hannity all over it like he was about "Iran is a tiny country", Rev Wright, and Bill Ayers. The fact that he, Laura Ingraham, and Ann Coulter are silent on the matter is ironclad proof that the claim is completely false.
Using the media as an example...c'mon!! They're all too busy talking about BS. They're all part of the trance. Now do you really know how many candidates there are for prez? Sure Bob Barr has been on the "tube". But if you do a little homework which is not that hard you can find it. Ever see the "media" talk about the fact that there are more than 3 of them...nope. But it doesn't matter anyway.

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I always thought that requirement in the Constitution was a bit stupid. It seems contrary to the general disdain Americans have for privileges granted by accident of birth.
At the time they didn't want anyone born in England to become president.
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