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Once again. Should the electoral college be eliminated.

Old 09-05-08, 06:00 PM
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Once again. Should the electoral college be eliminated.

The question that comes every 4 years.....just the like the olympics, world cup, and leap year.
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Once again - no!
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Yes if my person gets the most votes but still loses... otherwise no.
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Eliminating the Electoral College may not be the worst idea ever, but it's certainly in the top five.
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No, I'm perfectly happy with my vote not mattering.
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I don't think it should be eliminated, but I would like to hear discussion about eliminating the 'winner-take-all' approach per state, and changing it so each congressional district must cast it's vote individually (leaving two votes to go to the state).
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Once again - no!
What this guy said.
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If this were part of the sweeping changes that would follow my elevation to world dictator, then I have no problem with it.
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No. Of course, I also believe the 17th Amendment to have been a mistake.
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I don't think it should be eliminated, but I would like to hear discussion about eliminating the 'winner-take-all' approach per state, and changing it so each congressional district must cast it's vote individually (leaving two votes to go to the state).
I would be receptive to a system like this. But only if every state did it. As a Democrat, I don't want to see California and New York go to this system while Texas and Virginia stay on a winner-take-all system (and I'm sure Republicans feel the same way with the opposite states).
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No. Of course, I also believe the 17th Amendment to have been a mistake.
As I understand it, by the time the 17th Amendment was passed, many (most?) states used a popular vote to select their Senators anyway -- the legislature was just a rubber stamp to the electorate.

In this day and age, I don't think people would stand for not being able to directly elect their Senators.
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As I understand it, by the time the 17th Amendment was passed, many (most?) states used a popular vote to select their Senators anyway -- the legislature was just a rubber stamp to the electorate.
That would be the state's choice, however.

In this day and age, I don't think people would stand for not being able to directly elect their Senators.
I think it defeats the purpose of having two houses. It also, along with a variety of other things, lowers the value placed on state elections.
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I've read enough on the internet to remove any opposition I had to the electoral college. I also believe in term limits.
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I can't think of a worse idea than term limits.

Why so many states have adopted them, I'll never know.

I also believe the XXII & XVII Amendments were bad ideas.
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I know there have probably been intelligent posts supporting why the Electoral College is such a good idea in previous thread about the subject but since this thread is around why not post them again. I have to ask, why the Electoral College system than a system where the person who receives the most votes wins?

A most votes system would mean that every single vote cast is as important as the next one. Right now if you happen to live in a state that is dominated by the other party your vote is meaningless in determining who the next President is.

This type of system would also mean that candidates would be more likely to visit states they would have avoided in the past. Sure they still wouldn't have a chance to win the state but perhaps they could pick up enough votes to influence the overall result.

So now letís read some detailed posts as to why the college is so important.

PS: I agree that term limits is one of the worst ideas ever. Why would a person voluntarily relinquish the freedom of choice?
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Originally Posted by WCChiCubsFan View Post
I know there have probably been intelligent posts supporting why the Electoral College is such a good idea in previous thread about the subject but since this thread is around why not post them again. I have to ask, why the Electoral College system than a system where the person who receives the most votes wins?

Because then the campaigns would focus only on the most populous states, since the states with fewer people wouldn't matter. Those in office who want to be reelected might look more favorably on spending bills for populous states.
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Of course an intelligent fellow like WCChiCubsFan will repond - 'they already do focus on the larger states.'
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Remember Florida 2000? Imagine going through that every four years in all fifty states. That's what you'd be dealing with if we went to a nationwide popular vote.

Your point about skipping the non-swing states is a good one, but I'd rather see that addressed through some sort of proportional allocation of state delegates (for example, awarding electors by Congressional District, as Maine and Nebraska do). Nationwide popular vote would be a nightmare.
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Of course an intelligent fellow like WCChiCubsFan will repond - 'they already do focus on the larger states.'
Why should a vote cast in Arcadia, NE count more than a vote in NYC, NY?
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So if I understand correctly...

Each state has a certain # of people in the electoral college, and they may go with the candidate their state chose or not.

If so, why am I even voting when it doesn't really count for anything?

And...

is there a way to find out your state's representative in the EC?
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Originally Posted by WCChiCubsFan View Post
A most votes system would mean that every single vote cast is as important as the next one. Right now if you happen to live in a state that is dominated by the other party your vote is meaningless in determining who the next President is.
To be fair, unless the election is decided by exactly 1 vote, your vote is meaningless in a popular vote election too.
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So if I understand correctly...

Each state has a certain # of people in the electoral college, and they may go with the candidate their state chose or not.

If so, why am I even voting when it doesn't really count for anything?

And...

is there a way to find out your state's representative in the EC?
It does count. Because even though they might hold the state with the electoral college, if the other party doesn't get the popular vote it won't win.
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It does count. Because even though they might hold the state with the electoral college, if the other party doesn't get the popular vote it won't win.
The sentence as it's written sounds contradictory...
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