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Old 07-21-08, 11:50 AM
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UK jails 14 year old for refusing to study with students who couldn't speak English.

Well this sucks.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sh-pupils.html

Schoolgirl arrested for refusing to study with non-English pupils

13 October 2006

A teenage schoolgirl was arrested by police for racism after refusing to sit with a group of Asian students because some of them did not speak English.

Codie Stott's family claim she was forced to spend three-and-a-half hours in a police cell after she was reported by her teachers.




The 14-year-old - who was released without charge - said it had been a simple matter of commonsense and accused the school and police of an over-the-top reaction.

The incident happened in the same local education authority where a ten-year-old boy was prosecuted earlier this year for calling a schoolfriend racist names in the playground, a move branded by a judge "political correctness gone mad."

Codie was attending a GCSE science class at Harrop Fold High School in Worsley, Greater Manchester, when the incident happened.

The teenager had not been in school the day before due to a hospital appointment and had missed the start of a project, so the teacher allocated her a group to sit with.

"She said I had to sit there with five Asian pupils," said Codie yesterday.

"Only one could speak English, so she had to tell that one what to do so she could explain in their language. Then she sat me with them and said 'Discuss'."


According to Codie, the five - four boys and a girl - then began talking in a language she didn't understand, thought to be Urdu, so she went to speak to the teacher.

"I said 'I'm not being funny, but can I change groups because I can't understand them?' But she started shouting and screaming, saying 'It's racist, you're going to get done by the police'."

Codie said she went outside to calm down where another teacher found her and, after speaking to her class teacher, put her in isolation for the rest of the day.

A complaint was made to a police officer based full-time at the school, and more than a week after the incident on September 26 she was taken to Swinton police station and placed under arrest.

"They told me to take my laces out of my shoes and remove my jewellery, and I had my fingerprints and photograph taken," said Codie. "It was awful."

After questioning on suspicion of committing a section five racial public order offence, her mother Nicola says she was placed in a bare cell for three-and-a-half hours
then released without charge.

She only returned to lessons this week and has been put in a different science class.

Yesterday Miss Stott, 37, a cleaner, said: "Codie was not being racist." "The reaction from the school and police is totally over the top and I am furious my daughter had to go through this trauma when all she was saying was common sense. "

"She'd have been better off not saying anything and getting into trouble for not being able to do the work."

Miss Stott, who is separated from Codie and her 18-year-old brother Ashley's father, lives with her partner Keith Seanor, a 36-year-old cable layer, in Walkden.

School insiders acknowledge that at least three of the students Codie refused to sit with had recently arrived in this country and spoke little English.

But they say her comments afterwards raised further concerns, for example allegedly referring to the students as "blacks" - something she denied yesterday.

The school is now investigating exactly what happened before deciding what action - if any - to take against Codie.

Headteacher Dr Antony Edkins said: "An allegation of a serious nature was made concerning a racially motivated remark by one student towards a group of Asian students new to the school and new to the country."

"We aim to ensure a caring and tolerant attitude towards people and pupils of all ethnic backgrounds and will not stand for racism in any form."

Fewer than two per cent of pupils at Harrop Fold come from an ethnic minority.

It had the worst GCSE results in the entire Salford LEA last year with just 15 per cent of pupils achieving five good passes including English and maths, a third of the national average.

Since being placed in special measures, Ofsted inspectors say it has improved, not least as a result of Dr Edkins's "outstanding" leadership.

Salford was at the centre of a storm last April after a ten-year-old boy was hauled before a court for allegedly calling an 11-year-old mixed race pupil a 'Paki' and 'Bin Laden' in a playground argument at a primary school in Irlam.

When the case came before District Judge Jonathan Finestein he said the decision to prosecute showed "how stupid the whole system is getting".

But was himself fiercely attacked by teaching union leaders for "feeding a pernicious agenda" that aided the BNP.

The prosecution was eventually dropped.

Last night Robert Whelan, deputy director of the Civitas think-tank, said: "It's obviously common sense that pupils who don't speak English cause problems for other pupils and for teachers."

"I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time, but it's a sad reflection on the school if they can't deal with it without involving the police."

"A lot of these arrests don't result in prosecutions - they aim is to frighten us into self-censorship until we watch everything we say."

Greater Manchester Police denied Codie had been kept in a cell but would not comment further.
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Old 07-21-08, 11:54 AM
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Look at the date of the article.
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Old 07-21-08, 11:56 AM
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If I need to work an an assignment and I'm already heading into it a day late - at least stick me with some people who can explain what we are doing and not a bunch of people that don't speak my language. The teacher should have taken her request seriously and thought it a little before assuming something racist was going on here. I like Judge Finestein's quote about "how stupid the whole system is getting." .. indeed.
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Originally Posted by Venusian
Look at the date of the article.
I wonder if there is an update on what eventually happened?
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hopefully she is on deathrow for this crime
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Old 07-21-08, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by al_bundy
hopefully she is on deathrow for this crime
The U.K. has no death penalty, but after this case I bet they're reconsidering!
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Originally Posted by Venusian
Look at the date of the article.
Yeah, this should have been posted in "Otter" two years ago.
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Next Grundle will try posting that article about the American wines beating French wines in a wine test from 10 or 15 years ago. Oh wait...
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Originally Posted by General Zod
I wonder if there is an update on what eventually happened?
Yeah, I did a search at BBC news and only found the same story.

I didn't know UK schools had police officers stationed there. I thought that was only an American thing.
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Originally Posted by Ranger
Yeah, I did a search at BBC news and only found the same story.

I didn't know UK schools had police officers stationed there. I thought that was only an American thing.
Yes, but in the USA they are looking for weapons, In the UK they are looking for insults. They will not be tolerated by the tolerant police.
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Originally Posted by Venusian
Look at the date of the article.

Yeah, I know. But I just find out about it today.
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Originally Posted by grundle
Yeah, I know. But I just find out about it today.
So a two year old story is worthy of its own thread simply because you just found out about it? What next, a thread titled "Visigoths sack Rome" with a poll with choices such as:

[ ] Roman taxes were too high and they deserved what happened
[ ] I like conquering Germanic hordes
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What is 476 AD? Wait, what was the question again?
Incidently, did you ever wonder why historians always refer to the sacking of Rome as "the sacking of Rome"? Nobody says Watts was sacked or Los Angeles was sacked, but Rome, it was sacked.

Who sacked it? Everybody thinks it was the barbarians alone who sacked Rome. But they got a lot of help from the slaves. In fact, the slaves probably did more damage to Rome than the barbarians did.

The sacking of Rome, in any case, is overated. It wasn't the catastrophic event it's been made out to be. You know when ancient Rome was really destroyed? It was during a wild building boom in the Renaissance.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
[ ] Roman taxes were too high and they deserved what happened
[x] I like conquering Germanic hordes
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
So a two year old story is worthy of its own thread simply because you just found out about it? What next, a thread titled "Visigoths sack Rome" with a poll with choices such as:

[ ] Roman taxes were too high and they deserved what happened
[ ] I like conquering Germanic hordes
Please add:
[ ] More military spending, less on bread for the poor.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
So a two year old story is worthy of its own thread simply because you just found out about it? What next, a thread titled "Visigoths sack Rome" with a poll with choices such as:

[ ] Roman taxes were too high and they deserved what happened
[ ] I like conquering Germanic hordes
That's a big time gap: 400 AD to 1939.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
[ ] Roman taxes were too high and they deserved what happened
[ ] I like conquering Germanic hordes
The sacking of Rome is a symboloc event, since the power of the Empire had moved out of Rome earlier, Roman control and culture in the norther part of Europe had dissolved much earlier, the true Roman Empire at this point would be in Constanople for a while and would remain there for a millinium, and the Roman SYSTEM of life would remain in some places for centuries.
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That's a big time gap: 400 AD to 1939.
To be technically correct, that's "to 1945." The Germanic hordes were conquering again for a while, there.
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