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DC to Seal Off Neighborhoods

Originally Posted by http://www.examiner.com/a-1423820~Lanier_plans_to_seal_off_rough__hoods_in_latest_effort_to_stop_wave_of_violence.html
WASHINGTON (Map, News) -

D.C. police will seal off entire neighborhoods, set up checkpoints and kick out strangers under a new program that D.C. officials hope will help them rescue the city from its out-of-control violence.

Under an executive order expected to be announced today, police Chief Cathy L. Lanier will have the authority to designate “Neighborhood Safety Zones.” At least six officers will man cordons around those zones and demand identification from people coming in and out of them. Anyone who doesn’t live there, work there or have “legitimate reason” to be there will be sent away or face arrest, documents obtained by The Examiner show.

Lanier has been struggling to reverse D.C.’s spiraling crime rate but has been forced by public outcry to scale back several initiatives including her “All Hands on Deck” weekends and plans for warrantless, door-to-door searches for drugs and guns.

Under today’s proposal, the no-go zones will last up to 10 days, according to internal police documents. Front-line officers are already being signed up for training on running the blue curtains.

Peter Nickles, the city’s interim attorney general, said the quarantine would have “a narrow focus.”

“This is a very targeted program that has been used in other cities,” Nickles told The Examiner. “I’m not worried about the constitutionality of it.”

Others are. Kristopher Baumann, chairman of the D.C. police union and a former lawyer, called the checkpoint proposal “breathtaking.”

Shelley Broderick, president of the D.C.-area American Civil Liberties Union and the dean of the University of the District of Columbia’s law school, said the plan was “cockamamie.”

“I think they tried this in Russia and it failed,” she said. “It’s just our experience in this city that we always end up targeting poor people and people of color, and we treat the kids coming home from choir practice the same as we treat those kids who are selling drugs.”

The proposal has the provisional support of D.C. Councilman Harry “Tommy” Thomas, D-Ward 5, whose ward has become a war zone.

“They’re really going to crack down on what we believe to be a systemic problem with open-air drug markets,” Thomas told The Examiner.

Thomas said, though, that he worried about D.C. “moving towards a police state.”
WTF? Is the acting AG kidding, or is he a total moran? It disturbs me more than a little that this "plan" even reached this stage - didn't someone tell them it sounds like the Germans asking for your papers in 1940?
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Ah yes, the vague "legitimate reason" test.
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If only they added shoot on sight, this plan would be perfect.
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The scarier thing is the chief of the police union calling this plan 'breathtaking,' which I assume means in a positive sense. I guess I shouldn't surprised when those in authority get excited about getting to wield more authority.
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The mods should implement such a scheme in this very forum.
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Yes, I think they mean breathtakingly cool...for them.
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Next thing you know it is going to be like New Amsterdam on the Wire.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
The mods should implement such a scheme in this very forum.
Why don't you prove to me that you're the real Groucho or I throw you in virtual jail mister.
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Any chance one of the quarrantined neighborhoods will be Georgetown?
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Escape from D.C.? Seems a wall around all of D.C. wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Any chance one of the quarrantined neighborhoods will be Georgetown?

I'm wondering whether it is the affluent areas that will be zoned off to check the 'undesirables' or the shitholes to keep track of all the 'undesirables.'
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In the latest developments, DC police have reported a large number of individuals flying over the blockades in helicopters, hovering there for 5 minutes, and then shouting "Achievement unlocked!"
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Originally Posted by BigDaddy
Next thing you know it is going to be like New Amsterdam on the Wire.
Except that this is pretty much the exact opposite of that.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
The scarier thing is the chief of the police union calling this plan 'breathtaking,' which I assume means in a positive sense. I guess I shouldn't surprised when those in authority get excited about getting to wield more authority.
Given the context in the article, it sounds more as though he thinks the idea is stupid, rather than the opposite.
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Yeah - I didn't see the preceding paragraph.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
In the latest developments, DC police have reported a large number of individuals flying over the blockades in helicopters, hovering there for 5 minutes, and then shouting "Achievement unlocked!"
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funny, I thought Philadelphia last weekend was alot more unfriendly than DC.
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Americans have been incorrectly calling their inner cities "ghettos" for years. This is what a ghetto is really like.
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If DC is sealed off will Snake Pliskin
have to rescue the president again?
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I'm more concerned about the warrantless door to door searches.
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The Republican mayor and Republican city council in Washington D.C. have turned the city into a police state.

I hope the voters will start electing Democrats to those positions so their civil liberties will be restored.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
The scarier thing is the chief of the police union calling this plan 'breathtaking,' which I assume means in a positive sense. I guess I shouldn't surprised when those in authority get excited about getting to wield more authority.
Originally Posted by grundle
The Republican mayor and Republican city council in Washington D.C. have turned the city into a police state.

I hope the voters will start electing Democrats to those positions so their civil liberties will be restored.

I take it none of you live in these wonderful areas. Second, DC is an extreme city with extreme problems, and extreme measures need to be taken.

Maybe y'all want these violent criminals to be rehabilitated and given ice cream and sing songs around a campfire?

Just to give a brief history, DC cops were begging their officials to come up with better crime strategies to protect them in extremely dangerous zones--many regarded these areas as worse than Iraq. Charles H. Ramsey, the Police Chief, was more interested in appeasing everyone, but yet getting nothing done. Cops were being killed.

So, anyone have any better ideas? I'd love to hear them.

Grundle, how often do you cruise around in the neighborhoods being sectioned-off? Maybe the neighborhood is not so against the idea as you and others would imply they are.

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Originally Posted by Groucho
In the latest developments, DC police have reported a large number of individuals flying over the blockades in helicopters, hovering there for 5 minutes, and then shouting "Achievement unlocked!"
I never venture into this forum, but well played Groucho!
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I take it none of you live in these wonderful areas. Second, DC is an extreme city with extreme problems, and extreme measures need to be taken.

Maybe y'all want these violent criminals to be rehabilitated and given ice cream and sing songs around a campfire?

Just to give a brief history, DC cops were begging their officials to come up with better crime strategies to protect them in extremely dangerous zones--many regarded these areas as worse than Iraq. Charles H. Ramsey, the Police Chief, was more interested in appeasing everyone, but yet getting nothing done. Cops were being killed.

So, anyone have any better ideas? I'd love to hear them.

You apparently failed to notice that I erred in my statement (as corrected by Duran). The police union chief used 'breathtaking' in a negative sense, as in "how can this plan be constitutional? " Hats off to him. So take your beef to him.

And while I haven't lived in the poor areas of DC, I certainly driven through them on numerous occasions.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I take it none of you live in these wonderful areas. Second, DC is an extreme city with extreme problems, and extreme measures need to be taken.

Maybe y'all want these violent criminals to be rehabilitated and given ice cream and sing songs around a campfire?

Just to give a brief history, DC cops were begging their officials to come up with better crime strategies to protect them in extremely dangerous zones--many regarded these areas as worse than Iraq. Charles H. Ramsey, the Police Chief, was more interested in appeasing everyone, but yet getting nothing done. Cops were being killed.

So, anyone have any better ideas? I'd love to hear them.

Grundle, how often do you cruise around in the neighborhoods being sectioned-off? Maybe the neighborhood is not so against the idea as you and others would imply they are.
Maybe they could ban handgun ownership. That would certainly reduce the crime rate.

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