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Old 05-17-08, 11:56 PM
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Chris Matthews completely owns Kevin James

I have no idea who Kevin James is, but apparently he is a conservative radio host - one question I have is for you more media savvy folks to fill me in on this goof.

He was defending Bush's most recent attach on Barack Obama's insistence that he'll speak with Iran, etc is "appeasement" - comparing him to Neville Chamberlain - but Matthews then asks him what Chamberlain did and the guy spends three minutes not answering him. One of the best cases of total ownage i've ever seen

Here is the entire exchange:

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Subquestion: Is "Negotiation" the same as "appeasing?"

I, as you probably guessed, agree wholeheartedly that it's standard rhetoric buzzword attacks. What I so love about this is how Matthews exposed a talking head for being the ignorant fool so many are. I am fully supportive of Obama's overtures...

I see this as the perfect illustration of everything that's wrong with conservatism right now in America....as someone else put it:

This is (one of the reasons) why the conservative movement is in trouble in the United States — and is arguably in better shape in left-wing Canada: With their backs to the wall on the economy, income disparities, health care and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, many Bush-backers have retreated into a comic-book world of slogans. In his simple-minded practice of literally screaming idiotic aphorisms, Kevin James perfectly embodies the stereotype of American conservatism that has taken hold in blue states (as well as much of Canada).

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I posted this in the Presidential Election thread, but it's awesome enough to have its own thread. If Kevin James ever wonders why he's not syndicated, his agent only needs to pop a copy of this appearance in the VCR.
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Originally Posted by brizz
Subquestion: Is "Negotiation" the same as "appeasing?"
Absolutely not!

As a side point, I rcently heard that the reason Neville Chamberlain "appeased" Hitler is because Chamberlain didn't think the Nazis were anywhere near as big a threat as the Soviets. He didn't acquiesce to Hitler's demands because he was afraid to go to war with Germany; he acquiesced because he thought a strong Germany was a good bulwakr against Soviet expansion.

Does anyone know if there's any truth to that? It certainly turns the popular conception of Chamberlain on its ear.
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Originally Posted by brizz
I have no idea who Kevin James is
According to Wikipedia, Kevin James is an alleged terrorist, English footballer, magician, and Scottish footballer who made his film debut in the 2005 romantic comedy, Hitch, alongside Will Smith and Eva Mendes. So what have you done in your life that you can look down on him?
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Does anyone know if there's any truth to that? It certainly turns the popular conception of Chamberlain on its ear.
So, instead of being a coward, he's an idiot? I guess that's better.
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Topic=misleading.

I expected Doug Heffernan.
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Typical of the Bush Administration. Stupidity rolls down into the Conservative ranks.

As Chris pointed out, discussions are not a bad thing. When Iran had their incident with the British a while back, I pretty much made up my mind Iran needed to be dealt with. However, I still believe talks are good. Bush doesn't like to talk his enemies--well, except for Saudi Arabia, and he doesn't even know they're an enemy yet. \

Unfortunately, I'm unsurprised at this Kevin James making an idiot out of himself. He really is an icon of Bush supporters on Iraq and Terrorism and represents how little knowledge on the subject of terrorism, is actually used when making decisions.

And as to Bush referring to Obama (who else could it have been? Putin who is the leader of Germany?), well, this is yet another low and pathetic move.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Putin who is the leader of Germany?
Putin is the leader of West Germany.
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that is pathetic...

EVERYBODY knows that Chamberlain is the highest scorer in NBA history, who later went on to make a cheap spectacle out of himself with tales of sexual conquests...

what a dolt that guy is...
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The original clip doesn't seem to be available any more:

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That was just painful to watch. What an idiot.
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Originally Posted by Dr Mabuse
that is pathetic...

EVERYBODY knows that Chamberlain is the highest scorer in NBA history, who later went on to make a cheap spectacle out of himself with tales of sexual conquests...

what a dolt that guy is...
Chamberlain isn't the hightest scorer in NBA history anymore. You are no longer eligible for the presidency.

I don't blame Kevin James. Why should we care about what actually happened in the past? It's more interesting if we can just make up stuff to support an argument. Matthews was out of line in challenging James version of history.
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I am sad that someone people think of him when they hear, "republican".
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Originally Posted by JasonF

As a side point, I rcently heard that the reason Neville Chamberlain "appeased" Hitler is because Chamberlain didn't think the Nazis were anywhere near as big a threat as the Soviets. He didn't acquiesce to Hitler's demands because he was afraid to go to war with Germany; he acquiesced because he thought a strong Germany was a good bulwakr against Soviet expansion.

Does anyone know if there's any truth to that? It certainly turns the popular conception of Chamberlain on its ear.
With the Munich Agreement in 1938 and then the Nazi Soviet Non Aggression Pact in 1939 I would have to mostly agree with Tracer Bullet except that it makes him a coward and an idiot. If that reason is true, Chamberlain got played. Big time.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Absolutely not!

As a side point, I rcently heard that the reason Neville Chamberlain "appeased" Hitler is because Chamberlain didn't think the Nazis were anywhere near as big a threat as the Soviets. He didn't acquiesce to Hitler's demands because he was afraid to go to war with Germany; he acquiesced because he thought a strong Germany was a good bulwakr against Soviet expansion.

Does anyone know if there's any truth to that? It certainly turns the popular conception of Chamberlain on its ear.
The British felt a little uneasy after the Treaty of Versailles. The ToV said Germany was mainly responsible for the WWI. After this realization, there was a certain amount of guilt lingering. In addition, you had British policy basically saying war would be avoided at all costs--another WWI would be avoided at all costs.

So, Chamberlain wasn't a coward in the sense he didn't want to face Hitler, but wanted to avoid the horrible slaughtering of British citizens as seen in WWI.

As to your USSR question, there's the argument of Communism being crushed via peace agreements, and hoping Hitler would divert his eyes to the USSR, instead of the rest of Europe. Stalin even said Britain was instigating a war between Germany and itself.

The Tory Party (Chamberlian's party) was rather anti-Communist, so conveying a public appeasement with Hitler, while thinking they could coral him into a corner with the USSR, in a direct confrontation with Communists, is also a possibility.

Suffice it to say, there are many aspects and angles to Chamberlain's decisions.
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Unfortunately, I'm unsurprised at this Kevin James making an idiot out of himself. He really is an icon of Bush supporters on Iraq and Terrorism and represents how little knowledge on the subject of terrorism, is actually used when making decisions.
I live in the Los Angeles area and listen to the Kevin James radio show from time to time. After his appearance on the Hardball, he admitted on his radio show that he blew it. He even allowed callers on the air who called him an idiot. (Just for the record, he is not a fan of Bush and most of his policies.)
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Well, I have two questions.

1) Is Kevin James Conservative?

2) Does Kevin James support Bush on the Iraq War and our occupation there?

If you answered yes to those questions, I find it unbelievable he is not a fan of Bush.
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Topic=misleading.

I expected Doug Heffernan.

I guarantee you that THAT Kevin James couldn't possibly have looked as pathetic as that Rush wannabe did. Talk about a "ditto head". He had his talking points and didn't bother learning the facts behind them.
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What a complete idiot. How can anybody listen to someone like that on the radio? His voice even gets to me. I'm pretty conservative but shit like that almost makes me want to vote democrat...well not really.
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Kevin James.....What a dumbass.


Chris Matthews made Kevin James his bitch.
God I wish I was good at photoshop and I would be oh so clever and make a mock up of the Hitch poster except call it Bitch and have it star this douche Kevin James instead of the Kevin James in that Hitch film...Probably a lot more trouble than it would be worth. Its not like I can make this guy look like more of a dumbass than he looked in the clip.
My favorite thing about this clip is the wonderful example of how conservatives CANNOT admit they are wrong or have incorrect facts. It really is amazing trying to watch a conservative rationalize their incorrect theories, data, opinions, etc. even though they know deep down (I hope they do at least) that they are completely incorrect. And not to bring up the Hitler thing or call Conservatves Hitler (as was talked about in the video clip) but it always reminds me of that movie Downfall when even Hitlers men are telling him all ths bad news and how they are going to lose and Hitler will not hear it at all. Just completely oblivious to reality.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Well, I have two questions.

1) Is Kevin James Conservative?

2) Does Kevin James support Bush on the Iraq War and our occupation there?

If you answered yes to those questions, I find it unbelievable he is not a fan of Bush.
Look, I'm not trying to argue with you. The main focus of his radio program is stopping illegal immigration, attacking the mayor of Los Angeles and the city government's wasting of taxpayers' money, and revealing the fraud and corruption inside LAUSD.

Another thing that he rallies against is making sure that Obama isn't elected...which is probably why he was tapped for the Chris Matthew's show. He dislikes McCain, but begrudingly supports him because of his greater dislike for Obama and Obama's policies. (He put his support behind Tancreto and Romney when the primaries began.)

He rallies against Bush and Chernow and how they have have completely failed to secure our borders. He ostracizes Bush for not pardoning the border agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos. He rails against Johnny Sutton for being one of Bush's cronies. He mocks and calls out Bush for having caved into Vicente Fox and now Calderon. There has not been a shortage of calling Bush on his policies on his show.

Now, to answer your questions:

1. Yes, although he doesn't single out liberals as being the only reason for the problems in this country.

2. Perhaps. Can't say positively "yes." The focus of his program isn't on the Iraq war and our occupation there. (In fact, from the many times I've listened to his show I can't honestly say that he 100% supports the war, whereas when I listen to Dennis Miller I can say without a doubt that he feels the war is justified and that we should be in Iraq.)

I readily admit that Kevin James came off very poorly on Hardball and so does he, but I certainly wouldn't paint him as a fan of Bush.

(On his program he admitted he should have known more about Chamberlin and was trying to get the conversation back to Obama. He was trying to talk his way out of it which he admitted and he admits he blew it. Unfortunately, he came off as a person who didn't know what the hell he was talking about. He should have shut up and let the other guest have some air time instead of babbling on and on thereby making a bad situation worse.)

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Originally Posted by Franchot
Look, I'm not trying to argue with you. The main focus of his radio program is stopping illegal immigration, attacking the mayor of Los Angeles and the city government's wasting of taxpayers' money, and revealing the fraud and corruption inside LAUSD.
Wel, I'm glad he's against illegal immigration. And since he's against wasting of taxpayer's money, you'd think he would be for ANYONE other than McCain, because he should know McCain is going to squeeze even more money out of us for a war which isn't demonstrating payoff.

But anyway, thank-you for the explanation.
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Originally Posted by dork
According to Wikipedia, Kevin James is an alleged terrorist, English footballer, magician, and Scottish footballer who made his film debut in the 2005 romantic comedy, Hitch, alongside Will Smith and Eva Mendes. So what have you done in your life that you can look down on him?
According to his IMDb page, he was also a porn star with over a hundred movies to his credit who died in 1987 from testicular cancer.

I still have no idea who Kevin James is or why I should care what he says (although judging by a couple of the responses in this thread, apparently he represents all conservatives. ).

I look at that clip and all I see is some radio show host I've never heard of and the president of a radio network no one listens to arguing on a TV show no one saw that aired on a news network nobody watches. As I said when this clip was previously posted, all three of them look like idiots to me. The one guy doesn't know historical facts; the AA guy, apparently using an elementary form of Obamathematics, rounds seven and a half up to nine (if he keeps that up, maybe he can advance to rounding 47 up to 57 or 12 up to 10,000); and Chris Matthews comes across like someone's demented grandfather: he can remember something that happened almost 70 years ago, but he's fuzzy about something that happened a little over seven and a half years ago. Maybe that "thrill" going up his leg was from his Depends leaking.

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