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Old 05-16-08, 08:19 AM
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In 2007, Texas built 25 times as much new wind power as California.

While politicians in California talk about how they favor wind power in theory, while simultaneously opposing it in reality, the people in Texas have actually taken steps to build it.


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/app...80402026/1001/

Iowa first in wind energy percentage

By DAN PILLER

April 2, 2008

Iowa ranks first in the nation in the percentage of wind-generated electricity on its grid, and the state is fourth in total generation capacity, according to the annual report of the American Wind Energy Association.

The report said that the 5.5 percent of total electricity generated in the state came from wind last year, ahead of Minnesota at 4.6 percent, New Mexico at 3.9 percent and Oregon at 3.5 percent.

Iowa slipped from third to fourth in total generation last year.

While the state added 341 new megawatts, Minnesota added 405 megawatts to push Minnesota past Iowa into third place.

Minnesota had 1,299 megawatts of generating capacity compared to Iowa’s 1,271 megawatts of capacity.

Texas is by far the national leader in wind energy, with 4,446 megawatts of capacity. It added 1,618 new megawatts of capacity in 2007.

California ranks second, with 2,439 megawatts, but added just 63 new wind generation megawatts last year.


Gov. Chet Culver said in a statement that five major wind generation manufacturers - Acciona, Siemens, Clipper, Hendricks and TPI composites - have located or expanded in Iowa.

“Iowa leads the nation in producing its power from wind energy and is positioned to become the renewable energy capital of the U.S.,” Culver said.

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http://www.rapidgrowthmedia.com/features/sustain46.aspx

The Winds of Politics

By Tom Leonard

March 22, 2007

Texas is the leading producer of wind energy in the United States today, thanks to Gov. Bush’s commitment to wind power back in the 90’s. Under Bush’s leadership, Texas began installing wind turbines at breakneck speed.
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Californians oppose wind power with such tenacity that they rank 2nd in capacity?
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Originally Posted by grundle
Texas is the leading producer of wind energy in the United States today, thanks to Gov. Bush’s commitment to wind power back in the 90’s. Under Bush’s leadership, Texas began installing wind turbines at breakneck speed.
Yes, but 1/3rd of the capacity came online just last year.
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Originally Posted by The Bus
Yes, but 1/3rd of the capacity came online just last year.
It's against the rules to use fractions in response to a GWB post.
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Originally Posted by starman9000
Californians oppose wind power with such tenacity that they rank 2nd in capacity?

Those wind farms were built a long time ago.

Today, they are against wind power.
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Originally Posted by The Bus
Yes, but 1/3rd of the capacity came online just last year.

Yes, but Bush signed the law when he was governor.
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One might argue that Texas has a rather land area (somewhat larger than California) to put the wind turbines in - wouldn't you agree?
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T. Boone Pickens' group is planning to increase Texas' lead. They will build a huge wind farm in the Pampa, TX area (Texas Panhandle). I believe construction is supposed to begin this fall.
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Originally Posted by grundle
Those wind farms were built a long time ago.

Today, they are against wind power.

That may be true, but your two articles don't even remotely suggest that. Did you forget to post the report that deals with it?
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Originally Posted by classicman2
One might argue that Texas has a rather land area (somewhat larger than California) to put the wind turbines in - wouldn't you agree?


Yes, Texas is bigger than California.

However, in this other thread that I started:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=531340

the article gives many different examples of California environmentalists opposing every kind of power, for all sorts of reasons.

Here's an article about California environmentalists suing an already existing wind farm:

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/n...lls1-12-04.htm

And here's an article about California environmentalists opposing a proposed solar, wind, and geothermal power project, because the tranmission lines would ruin the desert:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0424/p02s01-wogi.html

California has plenty of room to put up lots of huge wind farms. But every proposal has been opposed by environmentalists.

So yes, Texas has more room than California. But California still has plenty of room.

The real difference between Texas and California isn't how much room they have - both have lots of room. The real difference is that California is controlled by environmentalists who oppose wind farms, while Texas is not.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
One might argue that Texas has a rather land area (somewhat larger than California) to put the wind turbines in - wouldn't you agree?


Zimbabwe has 9 times as much land per person as Israel, but Israel still has more food per person.
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One might argue that Texas has a rather land area (somewhat larger than California) to put the wind turbines in - wouldn't you agree?

And Alaska has more total area than Texas and California combined....
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Originally Posted by classicman2
T. Boone Pickens' group is planning to increase Texas' lead. They will build a huge wind farm in the Pampa, TX area (Texas Panhandle). I believe construction is supposed to begin this fall.

Yes. They're using billions of dollars of private funding to build 4,000 MW of wind power.

The gap between wind power rich Texas and wind power poor California is growing wider. It's not fair that Texas is leaving California so far behind.
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Originally Posted by starman9000
That may be true, but your two articles don't even remotely suggest that. Did you forget to post the report that deals with it?


Just the fact that they built so little new wind power, is proof that they are against it.

I have since posted proof in post 11.
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Great thread grundle. The Environmental whackos are against energy creation that will yield enough practical energy. They're happy about the price of gasoline too(and they have in the past when gasoline was cheaper stated that it should be more expensive to reduce useage) the only thing that they're pissed off about is who is getting the money.
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Speaking of T. Boone Pickens, if you're ever in the Texas Panhandle you might take trip to his home in Stratford, TX.

It's something else.
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It's not simply a matter of "room", it's a matter of "room with at least class 4 winds". And it took me 5 min of googling to figure out that Texas has a hell of lot more of these areas than California does (unless they start building wind farms offshore).

Not that I care, but I had nothing better to do.
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I made the mistake of assuming our members were aware of the facts that eXcentris posted. I should have known better.
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Originally Posted by bhk
Great thread grundle. The Environmental whackos are against energy creation that will yield enough practical energy. They're happy about the price of gasoline too(and they have in the past when gasoline was cheaper stated that it should be more expensive to reduce useage) the only thing that they're pissed off about is who is getting the money.

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It's not simply a matter of "room", it's a matter of "room with at least class 4 winds". And it took me 5 min of googling to figure out that Texas has a hell of lot more of these areas than California does (unless they start building wind farms offshore).

Not that I care, but I had nothing better to do.


Yes, Texas has more room with the right kind of wind than California.

But California still has plenty. It's not lack of room with the right kind of wind that's preventing California from building more wind farms - it's the environmentalists that are doing that.

Here is my proof:


http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0424/p02s01-wogi.html

Green power may ruin pristine land in California

Transmission lines from some green power sources would cut through forests and wildlife refuges, worrying environmental groups.

April 24, 2007

Wind, solar, and geothermal electric power produced in the rural reaches of the state must be somehow be transported to faraway cities - meaning some transmission lines must cut through national forests, wildlife refuges, and other treasured land areas.

Solar panels require the expanse and cloudless climes of desert areas, wind requires the funneling effect of mountain passes, and geothermal power is derived from hot or steamed water underground.

Some environmental groups are up in arms over the project. "There is absolutely no reason to go through the best wild lands and wild views of a national forest and private conservancy lands," says Justin Augustine of the Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental organization. He and other environmentalists offer alternative options, including following existing corridors, promoting more conservation in urban centers, and deriving more renewable energy nearby and within urban areas.

"This is another example of public representatives and the LADWP not understanding the sensitivity of the desert and making uninformed unilateral decisions," says April Sall of Wildlands Conservancy, which also oversees lands in the path of the proposed lines.
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
It's not simply a matter of "room", it's a matter of "room with at least class 4 winds". And it took me 5 min of googling to figure out that Texas has a hell of lot more of these areas than California does (unless they start building wind farms offshore).

Not that I care, but I had nothing better to do.
If you check some of the maps, Texas's class 4 winds are all localized in the Lubbock area. Great for Lubbock and Amarillo, OK for DFW, Not so great for Houston, Galveston. Texas' wind class tops out around 4.5 (acceptable)

California's offshore winds range from craptastic around L.A. and San Diego to superb (class 7). Around L.A. and San Diego, there are lots of passes that start generating class 4 and above winds.
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If you check some of the maps, Texas's class 4 winds are all localized in the Lubbock area. Great for Lubbock and Amarillo, OK for DFW, Not so great for Houston, Galveston. Texas' wind class tops out around 4.5 (acceptable)

California's offshore winds range from craptastic around L.A. and San Diego to superb (class 7). Around L.A. and San Diego, there are lots of passes that start generating class 4 and above winds.
Exactly, CA has a much better access to the ocean(and ocean winds) than TX.
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Texas has an ocean.

bhk,

Do you seriously believe that CA is better located to utilize wind power than Texas?
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Yes, but Bush signed the law when he was governor.
Wow, the Texas system must be really really slow. Ten years to put up windfarms? Sounds like there's a lot of needless red tape.

Are you suggesting heavy layers of bureaucracy is what other states need?
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