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Old 03-14-08, 08:25 AM
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Is Bush a completely lame duck?

I was just thinking about his comment about how he hadn't heard that gas may hit $4/gallon. Analysts predicted it, most of us expected it, and it is already that price in some parts of the country. For a President to be that far removed from the economy should be major news, but I don't think it got much play. I'm guessing it is mostly because the election news is dominating but I think part of it is that people just don't expect anything better from Bush anymore and just gave up on him.

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Old 03-14-08, 08:27 AM
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He's on the permanent DL.

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No, that's his dad's job.
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Old 03-14-08, 08:40 AM
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I hadn't heard about $4 gas until I heard about Bush not hearing about it.

I don't know if he's lame, but he's certainly a duck. I'm not even sure what that means.
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I think he's the worst president in decades.

To me, he's got the worst traits of both parties. I'd at least expect the Republicans to be fiscally responsible, but no.

He let the Republicans run amok without any vetoing for years - which makes him kind of a party hack without any inclination to oppose his 'side'.

He dumps piles of money into social programs but honestly I think it was kind of ineptly, and of course making the deficit crisis worse. I think the Democrats are better at dumping money into social programs and get more done somehow - more practice in this arena IMO

He burnt the rest of the money we didn't have on the invasion/occupation of Iraq.

His foreign policy is this black and white, Axis Of Evil, you're our friend or our enemy crap but inconsistent in its application which makes it make even less sense. "We love you, Saudi Arabia!"

I can't think of anything really great this president has done and tons of things he's done badly.
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Old 03-14-08, 09:13 AM
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As long as his vetoes are sustained, it's not completely a lame duck.

I can't think of anything really great this president has done and tons of things he's done badly
It depends on you definition of great, I suppose. I can think of some good things he's done.

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Old 03-14-08, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonkey

I can't think of anything really great this president has done and tons of things he's done badly.

Anything "great"? I can't think of anything period he's done in 7 years. Our country would be better off if the man was kept in isolation IMO. He's like the opposite of King Midas. Everything he touches turns to s**t!
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It is truly amazing how much of a non factor he has been in his second term. When it is all said and done he will probably have been a lame duck for three of the four years of his second term.

Looking back you have to laugh at the hubris at which many Bush supporters were falling all over themselves talking about how he was redefining the political landscape and taking control of issues like Social Security.

In the years to come it will be interesting to see if the Bush spin handlers can revitalize his legacy from any but the worse President in the last 100 years.
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Old 03-14-08, 02:31 PM
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He's pretty much been a lame duck since Katrina. That was when a vast majority of people realized, "Yeah, this guy's a fucking joke."
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Old 03-14-08, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Palpadious
He's pretty much been a lame duck since Katrina. That was when a vast majority of people realized, "Yeah, this guy's a fucking joke."
I know, right?! Once they tied that weather machine to him and Halliturton it was all over! That and he hid those keys to all those buses...poor Ray Nagan, Bush tried to make him look stupid, but no one is stupider that Bush!!!1!

He's not just a lame duck, he's a super-duper EVIIILLLL stupidhead lame duck!!1! ZOMG, I hate him more than anybody ever ever!!









Technically, Bush became a lame duck the minute both houses of Congress were turned over to the Democrat party.
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Originally Posted by Palpadious
He's pretty much been a lame duck since Katrina. That was when a vast majority of people realized, "Yeah, this guy's a fucking joke."
Would that be the same majority of people who re-elected him?
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With 9/11 happening his first year he could have been one of the greatest presidents ever. Uniting the country and the world towards one great cause. But he decided to invade Iraq. It's been downhill ever since.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
Would that be the same majority of people who re-elected him?
wasn't that before katrina?
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Originally Posted by Palpadious
He's pretty much been a lame duck since Katrina. That was when a vast majority of people realized, "Yeah, this guy's a fucking joke."

Funny. Katrina made me realize that people in New Orleans are fucking retards that deserved everything that happened to them. Especially with Nagin STILL the mayor after that debacle.
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Originally Posted by Mopower
With 9/11 happening his first year he could have been one of the greatest presidents ever. Uniting the country and the world towards one great cause. But he decided to invade Iraq. It's been downhill ever since.
yep. even though I hated him from the start, he squandered a huge opportunity to do the right thing, and completely failed and missed the mark.
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I know, right?! Once they tied that weather machine to him and Halliturton it was all over! That and he hid those keys to all those buses...poor Ray Nagan, Bush tried to make him look stupid, but no one is stupider that Bush!!!1!

He's not just a lame duck, he's a super-duper EVIIILLLL stupidhead lame duck!!1! ZOMG, I hate him more than anybody ever ever!!

Technically, Bush became a lame duck the minute both houses of Congress were turned over to the Democrat party.
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Originally Posted by Venusian
wasn't that before katrina?
No. Katrina hit in 2005. Bush was re-elected in our hearts every day since 2001.
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Normally I would call him a lame duck.....but I wouldn't want to offend all the ducks.
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Again - my definition of a lame duck is that he no longer influences the 'agenda.' That's simply not true in Bush's case.
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Originally Posted by Mopower
With 9/11 happening his first year he could have been one of the greatest presidents ever. Uniting the country and the world towards one great cause. But he decided to invade Iraq. It's been downhill ever since.
Agreed. He had the whole country behind him. I remember cheering my heart out for Bush when he threw out the first pitch at the 2001 Word Series at Yankee Stadium. Now, I can't stand the guy because he took the advice of a select few and decided to pursue an invasion of Iraq and basically said F-U to the rest of the country and the rest of the world on most of his other policies. He never honestly listened to any opposition even when they had valid points.

He was a lame duck as soon as his SS overhaul blew up in his face. He claimed to have a ton of "political capital" after the 2004 elections. I guess not.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
As long as his vetoes are sustained, it's not completely a lame duck.



It depends on you definition of great, I suppose. I can think of some good things he's done.
Please elaborate, because chrisedge listed everything that he's done wrong.
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Part of the original post talked about Bush's essential cluelessness... so I thought I'd add this comment that Bush recently about fighting in Afghanistan:
Originally Posted by George Bush
I must say, I'm a little envious. If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed. It must be exciting for you … in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks.
As Fred Kaplan said on Slate... "It only compounds the insult to reflect that Bush, when he was younger and not employed anywhere, passed up his chance for a romantic fling with danger in the jungles of Southeast Asia."


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Originally Posted by zekeburger1979
Please elaborate, because chrisedge listed everything that he's done wrong.
I thought his actions after 9/11 (for a period of time) were appropriate and beneficial to the country.

He proposed a realistic and fairly comprehensive energy plan. The Congress did not act on it.

His education proposal (after prodding from Kennedy & Miller) was beneficial, IMO.

His prescription drug plan (though woefully inadquate, IMO) was a step in the right direction.

I never said, nor did I indicate, his accomplishments outweighed the detrimental things he has done.

I'll argue that one of those was the tax cuts. I bet some of our members who are very critical of Bush are not so critical of him on that. I am.
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Which energy plan are you referring to? It seems like every energy plan Bush and Cheney submitted pre-Katrina failed to include any kind of conservation or alternate energy measures.
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