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Old 03-07-08, 10:29 AM
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(Libertarian) New Hampshire Again Nation's Most Livable State(Lowest crime & poverty)

New Hampshire is the state that was chosen by the Free State Project Libertarians. Here's a list of 101 reasons why they like the state:

http://www.freestateproject.org/file...Move-to-NH.pdf

Here are a few things from that list.

The state has no income tax, capital gains tax, or sales tax.

The state has open carry of guns without even requiring a permit. And it has a "shall issue" policy for concealed carry.

Members of the state legislature are paid $100 a year.

All voting is done by paper ballot.

For every dollar that the state pays in federal taxes, it gets back only 71 cents in federal spending. So there's no dependency on the federal government.

Here are the results of those Libertarian policies:


http://finance.move.com/homefinance/...&poe=homestore

New Hampshire Again Nation's Most Livable State

Mississippi reclaims last place

For the fourth consecutive year, New Hampshire was named the nation’s Most Livable State by Morgan Quitno Press, which determined its 17th annual award from its just released reference book "State Rankings 2007."

At the other end of the spectrum, statistics returned Mississippi at the bottom of the scale for the ninth time in the past 10 years. Louisiana, which ranked No. 50 last year, is No. 49.

“New Hampshire does an outstanding job in a number of quality of life areas,” said Scott Morgan, president of Morgan Quitno Press. “The state has the lowest crime and poverty rates in the country. In addition, the citizens of New Hampshire are employed, well educated and involved in their communities.”

44 Factors Determine Ranking

Recognizing a state for its high quality of life, Morgan Quitno Press issues its Livable State Award based on 44 factors selected from updated editions of its annual reference book, "State Rankings." The 2007 edition of "State Rankings" compares states in more than 550 categories.

Rounding out the top five spots with New Hampshire are (in descending order) Wyoming, Utah, Minnesota and New Jersey. Bringing up the opposite end of the rankings scale ahead of Mississippi and Louisiana are Arkansas in 48th, Kentucky in 47th and South Carolina in 46th place.

Oregon Makes Big Gains

Oregon made the biggest jump to No. 23, up 10 spots from last year. Utah moved from No. 10 to its third-place showing this year. Missouri was the biggest loser at No. 34, down from No. 27. Wisconsin at No. 20 and No. 31 Washington each fell six spots.

Morgan Quitno considers its award unique because it takes into account a broad range of economic, educational, health-oriented, public safety and environmental statistics. To determine a state's "livability rating," Morgan Quitno averaged each state's rankings for 44 categories. Those categories included both positive and negative factors, such as unemployment rates, job growth, sunny days, teenage birthrates, homeownership, books in public libraries per capita, and highway fatality rates, among other criteria.

Data used are for the most recent year in which comparable numbers are available from most states. All factors were given equal weight. States with no data available for a given category were ranked based only on the remaining factors.

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The armpit of America is number 5?
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Ugh. I feel dirty about the idea that Libertarians feel like NH is a haven. Perhaps I won't move back.
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Shouldn't we let the market decide what is the bets state in which to live? Based on sheer numbers, California wins. Based on population density, New Jersey wins.

New Hampshire is pretty far down on the list, coming in at #41 in raw population and #20 in population density. If it's so great, why aren't more people moving there?
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Perhaps it is easiest to be a libertarian in places where there is low crime and poverty.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Shouldn't we let the market decide what is the bets state in which to live? Based on sheer numbers, California wins. Based on population density, New Jersey wins.

New Hampshire is pretty far down on the list, coming in at #41 in raw population and #20 in population density. If it's so great, why aren't more people moving there?


I think population density would be the best measure
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Isn't NH 95% white?
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I thought of that too. And MS has the biggest black population in the country. Weird, huh?
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Shouldn't we let the market decide what is the bets state in which to live? Based on sheer numbers, California wins. Based on population density, New Jersey wins.

New Hampshire is pretty far down on the list, coming in at #41 in raw population and #20 in population density. If it's so great, why aren't more people moving there?


Because it's really, really cold.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Perhaps it is easiest to be a libertarian in places where there is low crime and poverty.
The lack of taxation on income and capital gains means they are more interested in the creation of wealth than in the redistribution of wealth, which explains why poverty is so low. It's better to spend money on jobs than on welfare.
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Originally Posted by Ranger
Isn't NH 95% white?

98%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_hampshire
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Originally Posted by grundle
The lack of taxation on income and capital gains means they are more interested in the creation of wealth than in the redistribution of wealth, which explains why poverty is so low. It's better to spend money on jobs than on welfare.

Retake a stat class.
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Originally Posted by grundle
Because it's really, really cold.
So is the subject of your other thread, Chicago, yet twice as many people live in Chicago as in New Hampshire. Is this a market failure?
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Originally Posted by grundle
The lack of taxation on income and capital gains means they are more interested in the creation of wealth than in the redistribution of wealth, which explains why poverty is so low. It's better to spend money on jobs than on welfare.
Where does the tax revenue come from then? I did not see it mentioned, so I assume it was skipped to make the picture look better.

As for poverty being low, I guess I saw enough to realize that that's not true at all.
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All voting is done by paper ballot.
you sure about that?
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Originally Posted by Venusian
you sure about that?
Yes. (I had to look it up)

656:1-a Paper Ballots. For purposes of facilitating the examination and recounting of votes cast, all elections shall be conducted using paper ballots in accordance with this title
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Then why was there all that talk about irregularities during the primaries? I also found some references to diebold machines
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I thought of that too. And MS has the biggest black population in the country. Weird, huh?
What's weird is that the thread title isn't (White) New Hampshire Again Nation's Most Livable State(Lowest crime & poverty).
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Originally Posted by Nazgul
Where does the tax revenue come from then? I did not see it mentioned, so I assume it was skipped to make the picture look better.

As for poverty being low, I guess I saw enough to realize that that's not true at all.
A good chunk of it is from real estate taxes. I considered moving to Southern NH a few years ago, and you can pay some pretty steep tax bills there.
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A good chunk of it is from real estate taxes. I considered moving to Southern NH a few years ago, and you can pay some pretty steep tax bills there.
You are correct, sir!
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The lack of taxation on income and capital gains means they are more interested in the creation of wealth than in the redistribution of wealth, which explains why poverty is so low. It's better to spend money on jobs than on welfare.
There's no relationship between state tax rates and the level of poverty in that state. Connecticut has very few poor people, yet it has the same state income tax structure as Mississippi.

Here's a comparison of state sales tax rates and % of persons living below the poverty level:

Note the distinct lack of a relationship.
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Isn't NH 95% white?
Watch yourself - you're in danger of being accused of being a racist - like I've been accused of being one in the presidential election thread.
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Thank you for post no. 21.

I don't know about others, but I've missed you graphs - or is it a chart?
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Retake a stat class.

Please explain why you think my statement was wrong.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
So is the subject of your other thread, Chicago, yet twice as many people live in Chicago as in New Hampshire. Is this a market failure?

I don't know.
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