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Berkeley tells Marines to leave -- NY center bombed (post#90)

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Berkeley council tells Marines to leave
Hey-hey, ho-ho, the Marines in Berkeley have got to go.

That's the message from the Berkeley City Council, which voted 6-3 Tuesday night to tell the U.S. Marines that its Shattuck Avenue recruiting station "is not welcome in the city, and if recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome intruders."

In addition, the council voted to explore enforcing its law prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation against the Marines because of the military's don't ask, don't tell policy. And it officially encouraged the women's peace group Code Pink to impede the work of the Marines in the city by protesting in front of the station.

In a separate item, the council voted 8-1 to give Code Pink a designated parking space in front of the recruiting station once a week for six months and a free sound permit for protesting once a week from noon to 4 p.m.

Councilman Gordon Wozniak opposed both items.

The Marines have been in Berkeley for a little more than a year, having moved from Alameda in December of 2006. For about the past four months, Code Pink has been protesting in front of the station.

"I believe in the Code Pink cause. The Marines don't belong here, they shouldn't have come here, and they should leave," said Berkeley Mayor Tom Bates after votes were cast.

A Marines representative did not respond to requests for comment.

The resolution telling the Marines they are unwelcome and directing the city attorney to explore issues of sexual orientation discrimination was brought to the council by the city's Peace and Justice commission.

The recommendation to give Code Pink a parking space for protesting and a free sound permit was brought by council members Linda Maio and Max Anderson.

Code Pink on Wednesday started circulating petitions to put a measure on the November ballot in Berkeley that would make it more difficult to open military recruiting offices near homes, parks, schools, churches libraries or health clinics. The group needs 5,000 signatures to make the ballot.

Even though the council items passed, not everyone is happy with the work of Code Pink. Some employees and owners of businesses near the Marines office have had enough of the group and its protests.

"My husband's business is right upstairs, and this (protesting) is bordering on harassment," Dori Schmidt told the council. "I hope this stops."

An employee of a nearby business who asked not to be identified said Wednesday the elderly Code Pink protesters are aggressive, take up parking spaces, block the sidewalk with their yoga moves, smoke in the doorways, and are noisy.

"Most of the people around here think they're a joke," the woman said.

Wozniak said he was opposed to giving Code Pink a parking space because it favors free speech rights of one group over another.

"There's a line between protesting and harassing, and that concerns me," Wozniak said. "It looks like we are showing favoritism. We have to respect the other side, and not abuse their rights. This is not good policy."

Ninety-year-old Fran Rachel, a Code Pink protester who spoke at the council meeting, said the group's request for a parking space and noise permit was especially important because the Marines are recruiting soldiers who may die in an unjust war.

"This is very serious," Rachel said. "This isn't a game; it's mass murder. There's a sickness of silence of people not speaking out against the war. We have to do this."

Anderson, a former Marine who said he was "drummed out" of the corps when he took a stand against the Vietnam War, said he'd love to see the Marines high tale it out of town.

"We are confronted with an organization that can spend billions of dollars on propaganda," Anderson said. "This is not Okinawa here; we're involved in a naked act of aggression. If we can provide a space for ordinary people to express themselves against this kind of barbarity, then we should be doing it."
If we ever unfortunately get attacked by terrorists again I think the idiot city of Berkeley would not be a bad target. Not bad at all. I bet they'd want the Marines there then.
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Why would the terrorists attack the one location where they have allies?
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Recruiting offices should be allowed. No one is forcing anyone to go in.
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Well, thankfully, Berkeley still has the national guard to protect them.

oh, wait.
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Recruiting offices should be allowed. No one is forcing anyone to go in.
Agreed. I just don't understand the animosity towards recruiting. Be anti-war all you want, but don't be anti-troops (which is all this comes across to me).

The nation needs the army, the marines, and the air force whether you agree with war or not. To think otherwise is the utmost in utopia fantasyland.
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I sometimes think Berkeley does things like this just to make wingers' heads asplode.
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I can't understand the rationale behind a move like this. Do they think if they can stop recruiting, they can end our military, and therefore end all war resulting in some utopian peace? Just a weird, bad move.
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This is absurd.

And then is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard:
In a separate item, the council voted 8-1 to give Code Pink a designated parking space in front of the recruiting station once a week for six months and a free sound permit for protesting once a week from noon to 4 p.m.
WTF!?
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I believe that if I were an abortion clinic protestor, I would sue for a parking spot in front of clinics or sue for discrimination.

I hope this backfires on them, as it is a new level of stupid I didn't think hippies were capable of.

Oh, and this IS supporting the troops.
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I think this is a great first step, but really they should keep going, and pursue this line of thinking along its logical path. After all, what are the police? An armed quasi-military state-controlled fascist force, enforcing their rules with violence.

I think once the Marines are gone, they should really work to get the police out of there, as well.
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I can remember when Berkely (Univ. of Calif.) used to be referred to as the 'little red school house.'

I actually attended the little red school house for 1 semester. It was weird experience.
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did that taxing espresso thing ever pass?
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What a bunch of douchebags.
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Here's a little more background on the Berkeley Marines situation (good reading and great pics):

http://www.zombietime.com/code_pink_...nes_10-7-2007/
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DeMint to Berkeley: Support Our Marines or Lose Federal Funds

Washington, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina) released the following statement in response to the decision by the City Council of Berkeley, California to evict the U.S. Marine Corps Recruiting Station from the city.

“This is a slap in the face to all brave service men and women and their families. The First Amendment gives the City of Berkeley the right to be idiotic, but from now on they should do it with their own money. If the city can’t show respect for the Marines that have fought, bled and died for their freedom, Berkeley should not be receiving special taxpayer funded handouts. I am currently drafting legislation to ensure that American taxpayers aren’t forced to pay for this insult by rescinding all of the earmarks for Berkeley in the Omnibus Appropriations bill, and to transfer the funds to the Marine Corps.”
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Yet I have no doubt you'd be the first person screaming bloody murder if some hippy from Berkeley told South Carolina what to do.

Hey Palmetto State, STFU and mind your own business.
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Originally Posted by Tsar Chasm
Yet I have no doubt you'd be the first person screaming bloody murder if some hippy from Berkeley told South Carolina what to do.

Hey Palmetto State, STFU and mind your own business.
The Marines are not a California only organization. They are here to protect ALL Americans. One idiot city doing this is flipping the bird to every citizen of every state.

And, for the record, I hate all hippies...


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<img src=http://www.zombietime.com/code_pink_vs_marines_10-7-2007/IMG_9351.JPG>

Interesting. Its difficult to read the black box in this pic, but does it say "Iraq US 1,001,9713,78 Dead"?

First, have over a billion people been killed in Iraq? Really? Wow. I never realized Iraq had more than a billion people, because certainly there must be another billion still alive there, as pics from Baghdad and the area show tons of people in the streets.

Also, I'm amused by the comma placement on this van too. We are dealing with geniuses.

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Interesting. Its difficult to read the black box in this pic, but does it say "Iraq US 1,001,9713,78 Dead"?

First, have over a billion people been killed in Iraq? Really? Wow. I never realized Iraq had more than a billion people, because certainly there must be another billion still alive there, as pics from Baghdad and the area show tons of people in the streets.

Also, I'm amused by the comma placement on this van too. We are dealing with geniuses.
Just to clarify - I think the truck says:

Iraq: 1,001,971
USA: 3,781 (the last number is blue?)

(not that I'm defending their message). I'm against the war but agree that these protests are silly. I thought the marine recruiter's letter was a pretty good response.

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I think you may be right. That "1" is very difficult to see.
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Well after you paint over the same spot 1,005,752 times I guess the paint begins to build up...
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In taking on the Marines, the council also directed the city attorney to investigate legal means of ousting the recruiting station, calling the Marines “uninvited and unwelcome intruders” in this bastion of liberal politics, 1960s free speech and high-minded nonbinding resolutions.

Tom Bates, the city’s mayor and a former Army man himself, said the vote represented his constituents’ longstanding — and frequently vocal — distaste for current military activity.

“Berkeley has been opposed to the Iraq war since the beginning; it’s overwhelmingly unpopular in this community,” Mr. Bates said. “And people feel this is an opportunity to express their discontent.”
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I just don't understand how they think this is in any way helping to protest the war?
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In taking on the Marines, the council also directed the city attorney to investigate legal means of ousting the recruiting station, calling the Marines “uninvited and unwelcome intruders” in this bastion of liberal politics, 1960s free speech and high-minded nonbinding resolutions.

Tom Bates, the city’s mayor and a former Army man himself, said the vote represented his constituents’ longstanding — and frequently vocal — distaste for current military activity.

“Berkeley has been opposed to the Iraq war since the beginning; it’s overwhelmingly unpopular in this community,” Mr. Bates said. “And people feel this is an opportunity to express their discontent.”
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I just don't understand how they think this is in any way helping to protest the war?
Allow me to explain it, they are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Since their removal order seems to be another one of Berkley's moronic non-binding resolutions, I would make the sign to the recruiting office as large and garish as local ordinances allow. I would make myself as large a thorn in the side of the City Council as I could. I would attend every single City Council meeting in full uniform, just to remind them of their impotency in removing me.

Berkley's motto should be "I'm all for free speech...unless it contradicts my ideals."
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They should station a marine drill team in front of the office.
This should keep the protesters at a distance.
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