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Old 01-30-08, 05:59 PM
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Matchup's...Who will win? 2008 Edition.

So...as more folks drop out how do you think it will shake up?

Who would win in each of these matchups?

John McCain vs. Barack Obama

John McCain vs. Hillary Clinton

Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama

Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton

PLEASE ANSWER ALL FOUR! Do you think any dem will win over any rep? or???
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Old 01-31-08, 12:31 AM
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McCain v. Dems. Who cares, same policies different name.
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Old 01-31-08, 12:43 AM
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Hillary beats McCain in a close one.

I'd be surprised if Obama wins.

Edit: Fine, all four. Obama loses to any Rep. Hillary beats any Rep.

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Old 01-31-08, 08:48 AM
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The Dems win all matchups. The Republicans have their best shot with McCain vs. Clinton, however.
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McCain wins against both.

Romney wins against Obama.

Romney loses against Hillary.
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Old 01-31-08, 08:59 AM
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Old 01-31-08, 09:02 AM
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Too early to call

It depends on what happens between now and November.

Hell - if AQ signs a formal surrender document of surrender that will benefit the GOP candidate. If Iraq goes to hell in hand basket that will benefit the Democratic candidate.

If the economy tanks - that obviously favors the Democrat.

If the economy springs back to life - that would favor the GOP.

It it's a normal election with no real overwhelming issues (Iraq & the economy for instance), the voter demographics favors the GOP. However, like 1992, the voters may be fed up with the Repubs - only in 1992 they just had a gutful of 12 years of Reagan & Bush.

Is that definitive enough?
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Old 01-31-08, 10:09 AM
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I think McCain will beat both Dems and I think both Dems would beat Mitt.
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Any Republican beats Hillary.
Obama beats any Republican.

Easy.
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Old 01-31-08, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by General Zod
McCain wins against both.

Romney wins against Obama.

Romney loses against Hillary.
This is what I think too.
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Old 01-31-08, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by VinVega
I think McCain will beat both Dems and I think both Dems would beat Mitt.
I think McCain would beat both Democrats if the election were held today.

Tell me what the economic and foreign policy landscape is in 10/08, and I'll tell you who's going to win.

In addition, I'll have to know just how large the Hispanic turnout is going to be.

That's really going out on a limb.
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John McCain vs. Barack Obama

John McCain vs. Hillary Clinton

Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama

Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton
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Question: When the last the American voters elected a liberal as president?

The answer might guide you in the making of your picks.
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Old 01-31-08, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
The Dems win all matchups. The Republicans have their best shot with McCain vs. Clinton, however.
I agree.
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I'm amazed at how many people think McCain can win.
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John McCain vs. Barack Obama = Obama Wins

John McCain vs. Hillary Clinton = McCain Wins

Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama = Obama Wins

Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton = Clinton Wins
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Originally Posted by ukywyldcat
I'm amazed at how many people think McCain can win.
That's because you don't realize how many DEMOCRATS despise the Clintons...and since McCain is essentially a Democrat in Republican clothing (or, at the very least, no less liberal than Clinton is), many Dems would cross party lines and vote McCain if it's between him and Hillary.

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I'm amazed (really not amazed) how many people think McCain can't win.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
The Dems win all matchups. The Republicans have their best shot with McCain vs. Clinton, however.


Real Clear Politics has some good numbers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo.../national.html

If McCain wins the nomination, I can't see many movement conservatives backing him. Rush has already said that a McCain or Huck presidency would be the end of conservatism.. His best shot would be against Hillary, but I see Obama winning that matchup by a landslide.
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Landslide victories are the thing of the past.

It ain't gonna happen.

The problem that McCain will have (with the base) is the turnout of the social conservatives. Will they hold their nose and vote for McCain? Or, will they stay at home?
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McCain will also have to answer questions about his age/health.
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Reagan answered those questions pretty good.

I can just hear our Reaganites now - 'John McCain ain't Ronald Reagan.'
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He might have answered them well, but he still had to answer them....just like McCain will. Plus McCain is older than Reagan was and I'm sure people will bring up Reagan napping during cabinet meetings and possibly showing early signs of Alzheimers while in office. Reagan surely didn't have to answer those questions.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
Question: When the last the American voters elected a liberal as president?

The answer might guide you in the making of your picks.
2000? Of course you could also persuasively argue the last liberal elected was Johnson. But then you would be admitting the none of 2008's potential nominees is a liberal.
Landslide victories are the thing of the past.
Don't be so sure. Remember Fukiyama's "The End of History" essay? The only thing that's certain is that today's certainties will be inoperative tomorrow. I agree that a landslide isn't likely, but who could have predicted a McCain nomination back when his campaign was disintegrating a few months ago.
Reagan answered those questions pretty good.
Reagan was increasingly senile during his last couple of years in office. If you look at the transcript of his Iran Contra deposition or read about Donald Regan having him followed around because he thought RR had totally lost it, you get a very different picture from the rose colored memories many seem to have now. Alzheimer's sufferers aren't sharp as a tack until the day their diagnosed -- it is a very gradual process, that certainly had started while RR was still president.

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Old 01-31-08, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman2
I'm amazed (really not amazed) how many people think McCain can't win.
My take is McCain is still promoting the war, and once we are down to the two canadates, you will have them using the war as a bigger issue.

So my answers (I waited) are:

John McCain vs. Barack Obama (Barack Obama)
John McCain vs. Hillary Clinton (Hillary Clinton)
Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama ??
Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton ??

I think JM's love of the war to be his undoing come election time.
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