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Old 01-27-08, 04:17 PM
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Is this racism, or just a false accusation of racism?

Today I read two different articles on the subprime crises.

Both articles are from the same website, and were published on the same day.

Here's one of them:


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

US mortgage crisis creates ghost town

January 27, 2008

That's a typical article about the subprime crises. For those of you who have read other articles on the topic, there's nothing especially noteworthy about that article. I'm not even posting anything from it except the title, because there's no need to.



But now here's the second article:


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

US blacks see 'financial apartheid' in subprime crisis

January 27, 2008

They had small means and big hopes of owning a house. But African-Americans snared in the US mortgage crisis have seen the American dream turn into a nightmare many call "financial apartheid."

The storm triggered by risky "subprime" loans has left many in ruins, forced out of their modest homes and furious at falling victim to financial dealings that have taken a particular toll on minority families.

"People of color are more than three times more likely to have subprime loans," concluded the organization United for a Fair Economy in a recent report which estimated that minorities have seen between 163 billion and 278 billion dollars of their equity go up in smoke since 2000.

With its weakened economy and a large black population more used to renting, Cleveland has become a poster child of the subprime crisis in a country where some 2.1 million borrowers are behind on their mortgage payments.

City officials estimate that foreclosures have swallowed some 70,000 homes and turned entire neighborhoods into ghost towns.

The city has responded by suing lenders, accusing them of targeting black borrowers and steering them to the loans granted with few formalities and at hefty interest rates to people with poor credit histories.

In this city where nearly 27 percent of the population lives under the poverty line -- about 20,000 dollars a year for a family of four -- many have a friend, a cousin, a brother, a co-worker or a neighbor who lost a home because they could no longer make their monthly payments once their adjustable rates jumped.

"Cleveland, Detroit, Baltimore (are) cities where lots of people of color live and what do they have in common? They are hit by the foreclosures meltdown. Is it a coincidence?" said Jesse Tinsley, who lives in the low-income Mount Pleasant neighborhood.

"When the wave of foreclosures blighted our neighborhood, members of our community rang the alarm. Nobody did anything. Now that white suburbs are hit, the city hall discovered foreclosures," he said.

"The mayor didn't do anything for our community for four years, they said 'they deserved it.' Now everybody noticed that we have been targeted by greedy people."

Nikita Bailey, an activist with the non-profit Center for Responsible Lending, warned that the mortgage crisis could empty the pockets of African-Americans.

"Today the subprime market is poised to bring about the greatest drain of wealth the African-American community has ever experienced," Bailey told AFP. "It is a financial apartheid no doubt about it."

For Cleveland Plain Dealer columnist Phillip Morris, the extent of the devastation is comparable to that wrought by Hurricane Katrina, which devastated New Orleans in 2005.

In the hardest-hit suburb of Cleveland, "nearly 24,000 people have lost their homes to Cleveland's Katrina," he told AFP.

"Families left behind furniture, clothing even family photos."

In the hardest-hit district of New Orleans, the real Katrina destroyed about 13,700 houses, displacing some 35,000 people, Morris said.

"More than two years later, 6,000 homeowners (in St. Bernard Parish) have each received an average 65,000 dollars in government funds to rebuild their American Dreams. But in Cleveland and its suburbs, there is no disaster relief, no presidential visits, no good Samaritans to helps us."

"It would have been better if it was an earthquake or a hurricane, we respond better to natural disasters than to men in suits disasters," said city councilor Zach Reid.

In the streets, shops, suburbs and restaurants, resentment against the government and the Washington elite flourishes.

"People in Washington -- George Bush, the US Senate, the US Congress -- witnessed it, they stood by and they didn't do nothing to stop it," said Cleveland resident John Brett.

"It was almost like they were on the Titanic, and they could see the iceberg coming and they did nothing about it," he said sitting at the counter of the Velvet Dog Bar.

"They wrecked our American dreams, the willingness to own a home," he said. "Even during the Great Depression we did not see the number of homes and properties abandoned like we are seeing now."

I find a very huge contrast between the 2 articles.

The first article doesn't mention race. It simply says that people bought houses that they couldn't afford. I think that that is acurate.

The second article implies that the lenders were racict, and that they specifically targeted blacks.

Is this actually true? Were the lenders racist? Did the lenders specifically target blacks?

I think the answer is "no," and I will explain why.

If they really were racist, then the biggest evidence might be from the organization that was quoted as saying,, "People of color are more than three times more likely to have subprime loans."

However, that organization did not adjust those figures for income and credit history.

So, in order to prove that there was racism, those numbers would have to be adjusted for income and credit history. No one in the article did that.

Here's why I think there was no racism involved. The article says, "The city has responded by suing lenders, accusing them of targeting black borrowers and steering them to the loans granted with few formalities and at hefty interest rates to people with poor credit histories."

Please note those last 5 words: "people with poor credit histories."

Do I think the lenders targeted subprime loans specifically at people who had poor credit history?

Yes.

Do I think the lenders targeted subprime loans specifically at people who were black?

No.

So, that's what I think.

What do you think?

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Old 01-27-08, 05:53 PM
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I find it utterly hilarious we have accusations of minorities being "victims" of subprime mortgages, when in the past, we had news articles about minority organizations who were suing banks because minorities were being denied access to the same homes and loan opportunities given to them "white people".
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"ghost town?" Can't white people live in the same neighborhood without people throwing around these racist terms?
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Not Racist! Just people living beyond their means and not reading what they sign!
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Old 01-27-08, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I find it utterly hilarious we have accusations of minorities being "victims" of subprime mortgages, when in the past, we had news articles about minority organizations who were suing banks because minorities were being denied access to the same homes and loan opportunities given to them "white people".

Yes. I agree with you. I've always noticed that too.
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Originally Posted by Thor Simpson
"ghost town?" Can't white people live in the same neighborhood without people throwing around these racist terms?

Heh heh.
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Old 01-27-08, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I find it utterly hilarious we have accusations of minorities being "victims" of subprime mortgages, when in the past, we had news articles about minority organizations who were suing banks because minorities were being denied access to the same homes and loan opportunities given to them "white people".
File this under "Be careful what you wish for."
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