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Isn't it time we opened up ANWAR like a pinata?

Old 10-16-07, 05:29 PM
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Isn't it time we opened up ANWAR like a pinata?

Oil is now around $85 a barrel. So let's go back to the basics....

We don't know how much oil is in ANWAR because we can't even drill a single test well. So when we hear about how it is only enough to supply oil for 6 months, we know 1) that can't be known because we haven't even been allowed to drill a single test well, and 2) no one would pour in the money for the infrastructure if this were true.

I have always said that if America would actually decide to do this with a unified voice, the price of oil would drop 25% just to keep us from getting too serious.

Hopefully this speeds up Shell and their Green River Valley projects as well. That is the future.

And let's not get into the idea that hydrogen, etc. has a viable future. It costs a lot more than the resources we have in abundance but choose not to use.
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Old 10-16-07, 05:35 PM
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As long as the American consumer is still buying goods nothing is going to be done about ANWR. If consumer spending slows down, and the real threat of a recession looms on the horizon, then maybe - no, probably not.
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Old 10-16-07, 05:41 PM
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Then I guess we get ready for $4/gallon gas.
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You mean to get all the mexican kids to run there?
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Old 10-16-07, 07:15 PM
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I'd pick something else to open it up like
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Then I guess we get ready for $4/gallon gas.
I think everyone has already gotten used to the prospect of $4/gallon gas.

I don't think we need to crack ANWAR unless we have to. I'm not averse to doing test drilling but why use up our reserves when we can use up someone else's. Seriously.
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Then I guess we get ready for $4/gallon gas.
Next summer. It's coming.
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By the time we open ANWR oil will become a commodity with diminishing value. It's important to do it before all our money flows out of this country and returns as foreign ownership. Does Dubai buying 20% of NASDAQ make anyone notice what's going on?

I think we should work out a mechanism for drilling for oil everywhere it can be found domestically while simultaneously putting much of the delta between the cost of that oil and its street price into research and implementation of alternative fuels with the goal of weaning us off oil.

And I don't want the government to determine what those alternative fuels will be or I'll end up having to grow corn in my backyard.
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By the time we open ANWR oil will become a commodity with diminishing value. It's important to do it before all our money flows out of this country and returns as foreign ownership. Does Dubai buying 20% of NASDAQ make anyone notice what's going on?

I think we should work out a mechanism for drilling for oil everywhere it can be found domestically while simultaneously putting much of the delta between the cost of that oil and its street price into research and implementation of alternative fuels with the goal of weaning us off oil.

And I don't want the government to determine what those alternative fuels will be or I'll end up having to grow corn in my backyard.
If we actually do this, then x2

Chances are ANWR will just line the pockets of big oil and nothing will be done to wean us off oil. Yes, I'm a little pessimistic in this area...tonight at least.
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The only people who care about being independent from foreign oil are typical Americans, who by the way, have no political power or any collective power. So, good luck on changing things.

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Old 10-16-07, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by VinVega
If we actually do this, then x2

Chances are ANWR will just line the pockets of big oil and nothing will be done to wean us off oil. Yes, I'm a little pessimistic in this area...tonight at least.
Yeah.

The problem is, if oil is selling for $100 a barrell on the world market, why should "big oil" sell it to Americans for less than they can sell it elsewhere? They won't.
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Old 10-16-07, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Yeah.

The problem is, if oil is selling for $100 a barrell on the world market, why should "big oil" sell it to Americans for less than they can sell it elsewhere? They won't.
You could actually get this taken care of in the leases (pipe dream). Looking at the Green River Basin, most of the land is owned by the US, and the same could be done. But I still contend that us actually going forward would drop oil to $60/bbl or lower. But why should anyone else lower the price when they know we won't do anything to help ourselves?
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Gas was $2.61 this morning, $2.81 later on. It hasn't hit $3.00 in a few months at least.

I'm as annoyed as the next person about the price of gas but what makes everyone think that it won't stay around where it is now? It has already hit $4 at places in this country and managed to drop back down.
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Old 10-17-07, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Draven
Gas was $2.61 this morning, $2.81 later on. It hasn't hit $3.00 in a few months at least.

I'm as annoyed as the next person about the price of gas but what makes everyone think that it won't stay around where it is now? It has already hit $4 at places in this country and managed to drop back down.
Wow. Hit $3.05 for me with diesel being at $3.53. Generally this is when gas becomes cheaper as the traveling season is over, as well.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Generally this is when gas becomes cheaper as the traveling season is over, as well.
winter heating oil
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Old 10-17-07, 12:46 PM
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I wouldn't worry about that. Global warming is here and a reality, so we should be fine.
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Old 10-17-07, 12:58 PM
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Just went to $3.15. Let's not do anything.
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Old 10-17-07, 01:07 PM
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Solution - move!!
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To the land of Honalee, where there is no need for oil?

I'm thinking of the little people, you cruel bastard. If a rich Republican like myself is disliking the price, imagine how hard it is for all the people who are starving already, etc.
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Just went to $3.15. Let's not do anything.
Ride a horse.
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Old 10-17-07, 01:22 PM
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Every time kvrdave posts about this I'm forced to wonder where the second 'A' comes from in 'ANWAR' and it drives me up the wall.
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Old 10-17-07, 01:29 PM
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It was predicted by my Global Warming model, so get used to it. It is fact.
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