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shaun3000 10-04-07 10:23 PM

Americans Against Hate says Muslim Day supports terrorism
Methinks they should rethink their group's name...

A Florida-based group called Americans Against Hate plans to protest a Muslim Family Day at Six Flags Over Texas later this month because it says the Islamic organization sponsoring the event supports terrorism.

Local Muslims called the accusation a lie.

"They have an agenda and they have a focus, and that is to absolutely tear down any Muslim organization that has any level of promise in America," said Khalil Meek of Plano, president of the Muslim Legal Fund of America. "I'm not surprised they're doing it, and I don't even want to talk about them because the more hype they get, the more voice they get. I'd rather just ignore them and pray they grow up and learn how to become responsible people."

The demonstration may be easy to ignore – and miss. Fewer than 50 people have turned out for other protests, according to the group's chairman, Joe Kaufman.

He said education, not turnout, is what's important.

"We believe this organization is a threat to the city and a threat to the United States because of its ties to overseas terrorism, because of their financing of overseas terrorism," he said.

Mr. Kaufman says the Islamic Circle of North America was founded three decades ago as an American arm of the terrorist group Muslim Brotherhood of Pakistan and funnels money to Hamas.

Mohammad Barney, president of the Dallas chapter of ICNA, said the accusations are troubling and untrue. According to its Web site, ICNA supports Islamic culture and education while promoting justice and understanding.

"It's disturbing that they are writing false statements like that," said Mr. Barney. "People have the right to say whatever they want, but that doesn't make it true."

The Anti-Defamation League – a pro-Jewish group – seems to agree. ICNA is not listed as a threat on its Web site.

"We don't involve ourselves in that kind of activity," said Mark Briskman, regional director of the league, who said his group would not participate in the protest. "He made a lot of claims ... without clear documentation of those claims. His statements are problematic."

A spokesman for the Dallas FBI office would not comment, but the former director of the local office said agents weigh accusations carefully.

"Anybody in today's world can make any kind of allegation; they can throw anything out there and hope it sticks," said Danny Defenbaugh, who led the Dallas office from 1998 to 2002. "But if somebody makes allegations and can't provide any substantive evidence, the FBI is not going to waste its time. Why should they?"

However, Mr. Kaufman, the man organizing the Oct. 14 protest said the goal of the placard-carrying demonstration is to wake up the public and the government. He said his group attempts to target radical Muslims, not all Muslims.

"I'm not somebody who revels in holding protests everywhere," he said, "but I feel this is an effective way of notifying the public to what they have in their backyard as well as put pressure on the government to shut down these groups."

The public, he said, should not be fooled by the innocent-sounding name of Muslim Family Day.

"It would be silly for them to hold an event called 'Muslim Terrorism Day' or 'Support Al-Qaeda Day,' " Mr. Kaufman said. "Of course, they're going to have an event with the most innocuous name possible."

Mr. Kaufman said he wrote letters to Six Flags' board of directors, including Mark Shapiro, president and CEO.

"While we understand that the vast majority of American Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, the opposite is the case with ICNA," Mr. Kaufman wrote. "The organization is a threat to the Dallas-area and a threat to our nation and should not be allowed anywhere near your amusement park – at any time. We therefore demand that you cancel Muslim Family Day."

Sharon Parker, public relations manager for the park, said that Muslim Family Day will go on and that the park will also be open to the public that day.

"We don't discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, political persuasion or any other factor," Ms. Parker said. "Our ultimate goal is to provide a day of fun for all of our guests."

She said no extra security is planned, but police said they will monitor the protest.

"We don't plan any problems from the group coming to demonstrate," said Arlington police Lt. Blake Miller, a department spokesman. "Our staff is aware of it, and we'll have a presence out there."

He would not say how many protesters police expect or how many officers the department plans to deploy.

General Zod 10-04-07 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by shaun3000
Methinks they should rethink their group's name...

Yeah sort of like moveon.org which still hasn't moved on from the 2000 election.

kvrdave 10-04-07 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by General Zod
Yeah sort of like moveon.org which still hasn't moved on from the 2000 election.


Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR),

Red Dog 10-05-07 07:46 AM

They should be sued for false advertising.

Ky-Fi 10-05-07 08:10 AM

Some info on the ICNA:

Helping Hand to Hamas

By Joe Kaufman
FrontPageMagazine.com | Tuesday, May 15, 2007

When it comes to Islamic-oriented fanatical groups, the United States has a troubling uneven policy. On the one hand, groups such as Hamas and Al-Qaeda have been placed on the U.S. State Department’s list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs). On the other, the group that they originated from is mysteriously absent from the list. The following involves those groups mentioned already and their relation to a group located in America that has been allowed to exist for the past 36 years. It was written in hopes that those in power will find new reason to freeze the group’s funds and close it down.

Since its inception in 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood (al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun) has spawned numerous radical movements around the globe, all charged with the responsibility of spreading Islam, whether by pen or by sword. Those born out of the Iqwan all have a single goal in mind – the creation of an Islamic world order.

One of the organizations birthed from the Muslim Brotherhood is Hamas (Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya) or the Islamic Resistance Movement. Founded in 1987 during the onset of the intifada – the violent uprising of the Palestinians perpetrated against Israel – the group targets innocent civilians by such deranged means as suicide bombings. Because Hamas is on the State Department’s list, a number of American groups have been shut down for financing it. They include KindHearts, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF), and the Global Relief Foundation (GRF).

If it can be concluded that others have been financing Hamas from America, one can assume that they would be shut down as well.

The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) was founded in 1971, via the Muslim Students Association (MSA), as an umbrella group for South Asian-oriented mosques and Islamic centers. It also contains a youth division called Young Muslims (YM), a multimedia division called Sound Vision, a web information center called Why Islam, a magazine called The Message International, and charities which go by the names ICNA Relief and Helping Hand.

When ICNA was created, it was to act as the American counterpart to the Muslim Brotherhood of Pakistan, Jamaat-e-Islami (JI). Indeed, if one looks at the web domain information for ICNA’s official website (as well as the site for Why Islam), he/she will find that the site is registered to farrukh.net, a former mirror (replica) site of JI’s media division. Today, farrukh.net is being used to showcase the works of Maulana Muhammad Yusuf Islahi, a Jamaat leader.

Further evidence of the connection between ICNA and JI is found in a July 2000 “Unity Meeting” that took place in New York between ICNA and its Baltimore-based rival, Jamaat al-Muslimeen. [pdf] Speaking for the side of ICNA, in his native language of Urdu, was none other than the President (Amir) of JI, Qazi Hussain Ahmad (who is still the head of JI). During the meeting, he stressed the need for “participation in Jihad;” he stated that “Islam must be translated into political dominance;” and he said that “the sword and the Quran go together…” His sharp rhetoric was not unusual, given his public support for the Taliban and his numerous get-togethers with Osama bin Laden.

While Ahmad’s communication with the head of Al-Qaeda is serious, his organization’s dealings with Hamas are much more damning. And ICNA’s involvement in this is apparent, as well.

Jamaat-e-Islami has a charity located in Karachi, Pakistan called the Al-Khidmat Foundation (AKF). AKF touts its work in such fields as: education, health care, and distribution of medical and food supplies. But these worthy initiatives stand in sharp contrast to the group’s recent aid to Hamas.

On August 17, 2006, JI announced on its website that AKF had presented a check for six-million rupees (the equivalent of $99 thousand U.S.) to Khaled Mashaal, the head of Hamas. In addition, JI stated that it “delivered a special message” from JI President Ahmad to Mashaal. The announcement went on to say, “Khalid Meshaal thanked Pakistani nation for sending the donation to the Palestinian brethren in this hour of need. Hamas leader assured the delegation that struggling Palestinians will not relinquish their just Jihad and continue to wage it until the First Qibla [Jerusalem] is liberated from Zionist yoke.”

In order to provide money to Hamas, AKF had to raise it. So the question becomes where did it get the money from? The answer is on AKF’s website, where the charity lists its donors. ICNA Relief USA and ICNA Relief Canada are its two top donors. ICNA’s Helping Hand is also on the list.
Additionally, the Al-Khidmat Welfare Society (AKWS), AKF’s sister organization, lists ICNA Relief and Helping Hand as “partner” organizations (along with their logos), out of a list of only three organizations, the final one being Muslim Aid UK, a London-based JI charity.

As stated in the beginning of this piece, providing material support to Hamas, a State Department designated Foreign Terrorist Organization, is illegal and has led to the closures of a number of American Muslim groups. Given the admission by Jamaat-e-Islami that it has provided significant funds to Hamas through its charity Al-Khidmat Foundation and given that ICNA, the American affiliate of JI, is the top donor of AKF, does that not conclude that ICNA should be shut down as well?



If you want to be able to distinguish REAL moderate Muslim groups from groups like the ICNA, you will find that the moderates say things like this:

(This is from the website of a TRULY moderate Muslim group, The American Islamic Forum for Democracy)

.....While the engagement by government of the (actual) Muslim community is to be lauded and a necessary component of victory against the ideology of militant Islamism, that engagement must be done in the setting of clear ideological standards. Those standards could be articulated as follows:

a- The Rejection of Islamism as a political ideology--Simply being 'anti-terror' does not make a Muslim necessarily moderate in the American context. It simply gives him or her a seat at the table of humanity. It is a core belief at the AIFD that political moderation within the Muslim community is manifested most significantly in a rejection of political Islam (anti-Islamism[.

b- A Rejection of the concept of the 'Islamic state'-. Islamist Muslims may endorse democracies, elections, citizenship, and the rule of law, but they are driven by an overriding vision of a Muslim majority society led by theologians (imams and clerics) who run government through their interpretation and enactment of Islamic law (sharia). Our government should engage anti-Islamist Muslims predominantly and at the minimum- non-Islamist Muslims. The ideology of Islamism- or the desire to put into place an 'Islamic state'- is a clear and present danger to free people everywhere and directly conflicts with the interests of the United States. Muslim moderates are those who embrace both Americanism and a spiritual Islam while wholly rejecting Islamism as a movement for the body politic and government of every nation, and not just the one they happen to live in as a minority. Moderate Muslims unequivocally advocate for American Constitutional government above all other forms of governance whether Muslims are a minority or a majority.

c- Identification of radical Islamist organizations by name as enemies of the United States- Moderate Muslims are able to both condemn terrorism as an act, as well as the individuals and organizations -by name -that utilize terrorism as a tactic for political change. Thus, a moderate Muslim should be able to identify radical Islamist organizations by name such as Al Qaeda, HAMAS, Hezbullah, and Islamic Jihad as ideological enemies of America. Similarly, moderate Muslims should condemn by name global Islamist organizations which seek to put into place Islamic states such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb ut-Tahrir, or Tabligh Jamaat. While these organizations may at times "condemn terrorism" they often offer apologetics (if not justifications) for terrorism and seek the establishment of both individual Islamic states and a global or regional caliphate of them. Anti-Islamism is central to being moderate in the American context.

d- The acceptance that the root cause of terrorism is political Islam..
Terror is only a means to the ends of the Islamic state. While many Islamists may say they are against "terror," moderate, liberty-loving Muslims accept the fact that the root cause of terrorism is the ideology of Islamism and its intoxicating dreams of the Islamic state poised against the ascendancy of western secular democracies. To blame American foreign policy and other conspiracy theories for terrorism is to live in denial.

e- To articulate the toxic role that Wahhabism (a radical Saudi Arabian interpretation of Islam) has had upon the radicalization of some members of the Muslim community. We must acknowledge the relaity that 15 of the 19 terrorists who perpetrated the 9/11 attackes were indoctrinated in the Wahhabiist ideology of jihad and its global goals.

f- To unequivocally recognize the state of Israel and its right to exist. .
Moderate Muslims accept the fact that the Israeli-Palestinian situation is not a religious conflict but rather a local Middle Eastern national conflict.

g- Separate faith (spirituality) and nationalism. Moderate Muslims in the west reject the mixture of their membership in the Muslim community with their citizenship or membership in their nation's military. Moderate Muslims understand that the personal practice of Islam, like all the world religions, is threatened when a government is driven by the interpretation of any one faith and not simply by overriding universal human principles 'under God'.

h- To advocate for individual freedom and liberty. Moderate Muslims stand firmly for gender equality, free speech and against Islamist laws concerning blasphemy and apostasy both within the Muslim community and outside the Muslim community.

i- To articulate the same ideas in English and Arabic and both within and outside the Muslim community.

j- To advocate for the rights of dissidents and liberty-minded Muslims in Muslim majority nations against the dictatorships and monarchies which oppress them: Moderate Muslims should not fear naming the leaders of Arab and Muslim dictatorships by name (i.e. Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, or Iran to name a few) as despots and oppressors. Similarly, they should not fear standing firmly and publicly for the need of wholesale cultural and political reform in those nations along with the liberation of their peoples.

k- To acknowledge that much of current Islamic jurisprudence (sharia) is in dire need of ijtihad (reform) and being brought into the 21st century and modernity with a focus on liberty. Just as Chrisitianity an dother faiths underwent reformation, so too is much of the current legal doctrine of Islam in need of a similar modernization to be in full synergy with the principles of individual freedom, limited constitutional government, and the separation of religion and state.

l- Moderate Muslims refuse to accept victimization as the focus of Muslim activism in the U.S. They accept the fact that Muslims should rather be leading counterterrorism against militant Islamists in the U.S. and around the world.

7. The viral nature of militant Islamism demands that we understand the root cause -namely political Islam.

8. To win the ideological war against Islamism, our elected officials must ensure that appointments and relationships with the Muslim community include most of these criteria when vetting potential partners. The enabling of Islamists in our government will greatly hamper us in our efforts to win the war of ideas against the Islamists.

AIFD Office
Phone: 602-254-1840
Web: www.aifdemocracy.org

Goldblum 10-05-07 09:22 AM

Not a surprise, the article title is completely misleading. The group is accusing a specific Muslim organization that is sponsoring the event (Islamic Circle of North America) of supporting terrorists (by funnelling money to Hamas), not all Muslims or the idea of holding a Muslim Day in general.

A quote from the article:

"'While we understand that the vast majority of American Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, the opposite is the case with ICNA,' Mr. Kaufman wrote."

wendersfan 10-05-07 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Goldblum
Not a surprise, the article title is completely misleading.

You noticed that too?

bhk 10-05-07 01:01 PM

Putting aside the inaccuracy of the article, I suspect many moslems who donate to mosques and Islamic charities don't realize that some of that money goes to support terrorist organizations.

huzefa 10-05-07 08:34 PM

I oppose Muslim Day too... it's not like we get a bigger discount or anything, and we still have to pay $7 for a burger just like on any other day...

VinVega 10-06-07 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by bhk
Putting aside the inaccuracy of the article, I suspect many moslems who donate to mosques and Islamic charities don't realize that some of that money goes to support terrorist organizations.

I believe that's true. I think a lot of Muslims who are donating money want it to go to food and clothing for needy Muslim children, but the money gets funneled into buying rifles and explosives to be used against innocent civilians. With Hamas as the power in the Gaza strip, who else are you realistically going to deal with in order to get your charitable donations to the poor? Unfortunately, Hamas isn't the Peace Corps. They give SOME of the money to the poor, and they also use plenty for weapons.

Muslim charities need to vet their donations if they want to avoid being labeled as contributing to violent Muslim organizations.

DVD Polizei 10-06-07 11:31 AM

Most Muslims don't want to believe their money goes to terrorism.

That's a better way of putting it.

Kind of like Catholics giving money to the Church, and thinking it will help some cause. The only thing it helps, is building more massive structures and paying for lawsuits. All in the name of God, of course.

I'm sure some $$$ do trickle down to help a few, just like in the case of Muslim organizations.

wendersfan 10-06-07 11:50 AM

Didn't the English used to complain that a lot of Irish-Americans donated money to Irish charities who then funneled the money to the IRA?

DVD Polizei 10-06-07 12:08 PM

They still do. And there is much celebration from non-Muslim terrorist groups that AQ came into the picture. :)

Ky-Fi 10-07-07 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by wendersfan
Didn't the English used to complain that a lot of Irish-Americans donated money to Irish charities who then funneled the money to the IRA?

I've hear the IRA referred to as "Boston's favorite charity", but I think the take is that the donors knew and wanted the money going to the IRA.

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