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Old 09-25-07, 09:58 AM
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Free Burma!

There are thing a-stirring in Burma. The monks have taken a stand against the military government. But now the army is moving in. Let us wish them well.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7011655.stm

Tens of thousands of monks and civilians in Burma's main city Rangoon have defied military warnings and staged new anti-government protests.
Some chanted "we want dialogue". Others simply shouted "democracy, democracy".

Earlier, lorries with loudspeakers warned residents that the protests could be "dispersed by military force".

After the march finished, eyewitnesses told two news agencies they had seen several military trucks moving on Rangoon's streets.

Reuters reported that eight trucks carrying armed riot police and 11 carrying troops had moved into the city centre.

The security forces stayed in the vehicles while a few hundred people looked on, AFP said.

Tens of thousands of monks and supporters had earlier marched from Shwedagon pagoda into the commercial centre of Rangoon, where they gathered around Sule pagoda and nearby city hall, witnesses told AFP.

Protesters addressed the crowd outside city hall.

"National reconciliation is very important for us... The monks are standing up for the people," proclaimed poet Aung Way.

One monk told the Associated Press: "People do not tolerate the military government any longer."

The BBC's Jonathan Head in Bangkok says monks - who have been spearheading the protest campaign - have been handing out pictures of Burmese independence hero Aung San, the deceased father of detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi.

They were also carrying flags, including some bearing the image of a fighting peacock used by students during the 1988 pro-democracy uprising, witnesses told Reuters.

Students were also openly marching, says the BBC Burmese Service. In earlier marches they had simply formed a chain and clapped.

"Some students are in the middle of exams at this time," one of the students told the BBC. "But they have left their exam rooms and come out onto the streets, joining hands with the public, fighting for the country under the guidance of the monks."

The junta, which violently repressed the 1988 protests killing some 3,000 people, finally broke its silence over the mounting protests late on Monday, saying it was ready to "take action" against the monks.

It repeated the warning on state media, ordering monks not to get involved in politics and accusing them of allowing themselves to be manipulated by the foreign media.

International reaction

At the opening of the UN General Assembly in New York, Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged Burma's rulers to exercise restraint in the face of the growing protests.

US President George W Bush is to use his speech - due shortly - to announce further sanctions against Burma's ruling military junta, the White House has said.

The US is hoping it will encourage other nations to act and embolden the protesters on Burma's streets, says the BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington.

Close neighbour China called for "stability", and the European Union has also urged the junta to show the "utmost restraint" and to take the opportunity to "launch a process of real political reform".

The exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has given his backing to the monks' call for freedom and democracy.

The protests were triggered by the government's decision to double the price of fuel last month, hitting people hard in the impoverished nation.
Old 09-25-07, 10:04 AM
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Shouldn't we call them Myanmar like they want?

Definitely wish them well
Old 09-25-07, 11:37 AM
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I'm not sure if they really want to be called Myanmar or Burma, considering Myanmar was the name reimposed on them by their military junta. If they overthrow these bastards, then they can decide for themselves.
Old 09-25-07, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by joeydaninja
US President George W Bush is to use his speech - due shortly - to announce further sanctions against Burma's ruling military junta, the White House has said.

The US is hoping it will encourage other nations to act and embolden the protesters on Burma's streets, says the BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington.
That's a joke!! People of Myanmar don't want sanction. They need international pressure. Someone to threaten to bring the Junta to world court if they'd crush the protest.
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That's a joke!! People of Myanmar don't want sanction. They need international pressure. Someone to threaten to bring the Junta to world court if they'd crush the protest.
I've been reading up on this quite a bit lately. I fear the Junta will run out of patience very quickly. This is probably not going to end well.
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Originally Posted by General Zod
This is probably not going to end well.
I have a feeling its going to make '88 seem like a Sunday picnic.
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and then the security council will have to write a strongly worded letter
Old 09-25-07, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Venusian
and then the security council will have to write a strongly worded letter
You are like Carnac the Magnificent of the U.N.
Old 09-26-07, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by General Zod
I've been reading up on this quite a bit lately. I fear the Junta will run out of patience very quickly. This is probably not going to end well.
I've been in this kind of protest before and it's awful enough when you have 20 or 30 people shot to death. Last time it was thousands. That's beyond my imagination.
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Coming from Manila, we were able to overthrow Marcos in 1986, so we know it's not impossible.
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Originally Posted by Venusian
Shouldn't we call them Myanmar like they want?

Definitely wish them well
It will always be Burma to me.
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Looks like the violence has started. The monks need to convince the soldiers/police to join their side against their leaders. I have no idea how to do that though
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Note that Aung San Suu Kyi, who had been under house arrest at her residence in Yangon for a number of years, was transferred to Insein prison last Sunday...
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070926/ap_on_re_as/myanmar

The government said its security forces opened fire Wednesday on demonstrators who failed to disperse, killing one person, and witnesses said police beat and dragged away dozens of Buddhist monks in the most violent crackdown against the protests that began last month in Myanmar.

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Responding to calls by world leaders, the U.N. Security Council will hold closed consultations on Myanmar later Wednesday. The session will be briefed by Ibrahim Gambari, the secretary-general's special envoy on Myanmar, said U.N. deputy spokeswoman Marie Okabe.



they are preparing the text of the letter. I wonder if China will make them soften the letter so it isn't so harsh
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This is where the new Rambo takes place right?

Complete the mission Johnny!
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Ugh, Myanmar. It's like a low-tech 1984 over there.

I don't hold out a lot of hope, but if they can bring down the regime and restore Burma, that would be a great day.
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Monks and Military. Doesn't sound like a fair fight.

Btw, where's Sean Penn? I'd think he'd be at the front of the line, defending them. Oh wait a minute.
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Well no more pictures. The gov just shut off Burma's internet connections.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapc...nts/index.html
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If there was ever a need for the U.N. it is right now. Let's see what they are made of. Unfortunately... I already know the answer.
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It is up to the people to fight back. They need to coordinate, and begin to section off parts of the burma police (bait them in small areas of the city where small amounts of forces would come in, and just take them out, and overwhelm them with hidden resistance pockets. Sounds easy typing this I know. Obviously, they can't fight one-on-one as their enemy has superior firepower.

This is how terrorism starts.

These people need to back off, because it's a no win situation at the moment. But time is on their side. They need fake a retreat, then a few weeks later, overwhelm parts of the government by complete surprise with any tactic at their disposal.

Just like Iraq, it's up to the people to make a change. We can't change it for them, and the UN being there certainly wouldn't help. It would just postpone the problem.

Having no intervention could actually bring a better outcome. Freedom and Liberty don't come on a platter with UN or US troops. Nope. Yah gotta fight for it. Americans have. And many other countries have experienced the same.

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....and just take them out...
Yeah. Everyone know that monks are just like commandos. They should just hide around corners and ambush those half million troops equipped with tanks and automatic weapons. They could use sticks or something. What could go wrong?

Sounds easy typing this I know.
No?
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Originally Posted by SlartyBart
Yeah. Everyone know that monks are just like commandos. They should just hide around corners and ambush those half million troops equipped with tanks and automatic weapons. They could use sticks or something. What could go wrong?



No?
Oh yeahhh...


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