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White House Blasts Former President Carter as 'Increasingly Irrelevant'

Old 05-21-07, 09:09 AM
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White House Blasts Former President Carter as 'Increasingly Irrelevant'

CRAWFORD, Texas —

In a biting rebuke, the White House on Sunday dismissed former President Jimmy Carter as "increasingly irrelevant" after his harsh criticism of President Bush.

Carter was quoted Saturday as saying "I think as far as the adverse impact on the nation around the world, this administration has been the worst in history."

The Georgia Democrat said Bush had overseen an "overt reversal of America's basic values" as expressed by previous administrations, including that of his own farther, former President George H.W. Bush.

"I think it's sad that President Carter's reckless personal criticism is out there," White House spokesman Tony Fratto responded Sunday from Crawford, where Bush spent the weekend.

"I think it's unfortunate," Fratto said. "And I think he is proving to be increasingly irrelevant with these kinds of comments."

Carter made the comments to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in a story that appeared in the newspaper's Saturday editions.

Carter spokeswoman Deanna Congileo confirmed his comments to The Associated Press on Saturday and declined to elaborate.
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1. What do you think about Carter's 'charge?'

2. Do you believe the White House response is a little over the top?

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Old 05-21-07, 09:15 AM
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I don't believe ANY former President is "irrelevant." I wonder if this spokesman chose those words himself?
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Are they the worst ever? No. On foreign policy, they're damn close though.
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President Carter is old and cranky. President Bush is not so old and is too thin skinned. I'm a little ashamed when my first reaction to the behavior of a past president and our current president is that they both need to grow up.
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Worst ever? No. One of the worst? Yes.
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Originally Posted by VinVega
Are they the worst ever? No. On foreign policy, they're damn close though.
Whose administration would you say is worse than GWB's?
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1. What do you think about Carter's 'charge?'

2. Do you believe the White House response is a little over the top?
1. Seems to be fairly well established at this point. Virtually every significant historian agrees, along with most political pundits and approximately 68% of the general public.

2. No, their response is pretty much par for the course. They have a pattern of smearing anyone who speaks out against them in the crudest fashion possible.
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Carter has back-tracked a couple of times from the interview he gave to the Arkansas Democratic Gazette on Saturday.

He said he meant to say - 'worst foreign policy administration.' He compared it to the Nixon Administration. Realizing that Nixon is credited for having a very good foreign policy, he back-tracked a little more.
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Not even close.
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Quickly - name me a president who has had a worse foreign policy than George W. Bush.

Seriously - I can't think of one - at least not in my lifetime.
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I don't remember either JFK or LBJ having very stellar foreign policies.
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I don't remember either JFK or LBJ having very stellar foreign policies.
Yeah, that whole Cuban Missile Crisis thing. JFK only avoided a nuclear war and got the missiles out of Cuba.

Unlike Bush, JFK ignored his advisors call for war.

You could argue that Vietnam was a complete disaster, and you'd be right, but at least it was consistent with the Cold War and the attempt to contain Communism (misguided though it was).

Attacking Iraq instead of going after the real terrorists is just asinine. Thinking the "war would pay for itself" to quote Wolfowitz is just one example of the neocons' monumental stupidity.

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Funny that Bush would make that comment about Carter when Bush is the one who is increasingly irrelevant, with Republican members of Congress separating themselves from him, Specter's comments about the Gonzales no-confidence vote, etc.
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Originally Posted by NCMojo
Whose administration would you say is worse than GWB's?
I guess I was trying to be kind. Come to think of it, I can't think of an administration who had a worse foreign policy.
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I don't wish to rehash the Vietnam War, but I'll argue that it was not a complete disaster, because I do believe it had a 'positive' influence on the Cold War.
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Wow, that's terrific blass!
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I fixed your title typo c-man. Blass=Blasts.
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My history teacher in high school said it takes atleast 20 years to judge a presidency.


For example, cman's assessment of the Vietnam War's effect on the Cold War is more accurately measured after the Cold War was ended. Maybe the same can be said of the WoT

I'd hesitate to judge Bush's foreign policy until atleast his term is over but I'd rather wait out a while and see how it actually effects the world.
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The poll might be better worded if you tacked "in terms of foreign policy." onto the end of it. That way Carter's rant would be relevant to the poll, if indeed you're trying to see if many people agree with Carter.

As for my opinion... I would agree that it takes a decade or so for the full implications of current events to make themselves known. However, I think Bush would need to pull off a first-rate miracle before his term ends if he wants to climb into the lofty realms of near-adequacy. However, he'd be lucky just to avoid another major disaster.
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I wasn't aware that Carter had 'changed' his position until after I posted the original thread & poll.
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You know, I'm just as mystified by the people who give Bush credit for his domestic agenda. Unless you're one of the few who believe that the Patriot Act and the abandonment of congressional oversight and the expansion of the federal bureacracy were all good things... the only item Bush can hang his hat on are the tax cuts which (in theory) triggered our currest rocketship economy. I just don't see any significant domestic accomplishments.
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I've said it before - the only thing Bush will be able to hang his hat on (can call a success) are his judicial appointments.
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Originally Posted by NCMojo
You know, I'm just as mystified by the people who give Bush credit for his domestic agenda.
I don't give him a pass on his domestic agenda. I'm just personally more interested in foreign policy than domestic agenda. I probably should have majored in international relations rather than history in college.
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I did not realize that Carter could become more irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by NCMojo
Whose administration would you say is worse than GWB's?
Jimmy Carter's. He appeared to be a nice guy who wasn't the right person to be president.

As the years passed after his presidency, he either went off the rails, or his true nature came through.
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