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Old 05-10-07, 12:26 AM
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Churches across U.S. to offer sanctuary to illegals

On the news today it was reported that churches acrosss America will offer illegals sanctuary from being deported just like the mexican woman in Chicago who has been holed up in church along with her son.
Now why do you all think the churches are doing this?
Could it be because the majority of illegals are catholic and if they get deported there goes church money for the collection box.
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Old 05-10-07, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wm lopez
On the news today it was reported that churches acrosss America will offer illegals sanctuary from being deported just like the mexican woman in Chicago who has been holed up in church along with her son.
Now why do you all think the churches are doing this?
Could it be because the majority of illegals are catholic and if they get deported there goes church money for the collection box.
And that churches don't pay taxes so the rest of the country can pay for the illegals and the church can come out looking sweet, loving, and caring and thus get more donations?
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..well that and fresh hot young Latin boys.

But seriously, Roger "covers up for molesters" Mahoney here in LA is always pimpin' this kind of thing for the Illegals. He makes it sound like it's about humanitarian causes when all it's really about is building up numbers and keeping the collection plates full.

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I think this is one of the most idiotic things going on in the whole illegal immigration issue.

These churches are totally abusing the sanctuary idea of the past. In more recent times sanctuary that was offered to people was due to them fleeing horrible atrocities, persecution etc...like say a church somewhere in Europe helping people out from Kosovo. Even if you buy into the argument that churches have given sanctuary to criminals for hundreds of years its still misguided. Criminals in say 1600 something were given sanctuary in a church while the church negotiated surrender with whoever was hunting down the criminal...they didn't just let them live in the church, run pr campaigns and be a political tool like this woman in Chicago.

They like to sight precedence, but sanctuary was never used like it is in Chicago and what others are proposing to do.
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Any church that houses illegals should lose it's tax exempt status.
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Originally Posted by joeblow69
Any church that houses illegals should lose it's tax exempt status.
Why? Isn't this the sort of thing churches are supposed to do?
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Originally Posted by joeblow69
Any church that houses illegals should lose it's tax exempt status.
Churches should pay taxes anyway.
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Why? Isn't this the sort of thing churches are supposed to do?

Right up there with bingo night!
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
Why? Isn't this the sort of thing churches are supposed to do?
No?

There are plenty of legal poor people in this country that need the church's help.
The church shouldn't be able to harbor criminals. Period.
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Churches should pay taxes anyway.
I'm happy to continue to allow their tax free status provided they keep their noses out of the political process. Now, churches don't exist in a vacuum, and I have no problem with churches discussing various moral issues (God knows my church can't seem to stop their moralizing...), but my worry is, if churches pay taxes, they have as much right as individuals or corporations to effect change in the political process. I know they do that now, but the government has the tax exempt stick with which to threaten them. Take that away, then what?
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Originally Posted by joeblow69
The church shouldn't be able to harbor criminals. Period.
What if they are harboring criminals from immoral laws?

Now, I'm not arguing that our current immigration laws are immoral, but if a church believes they are I'm not going to dispute their right to feel that way.
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Originally Posted by joeblow69
There are plenty of legal poor people in this country that need the church's help.
Church's aren't government agencies. They shouldn't see borders.
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Originally Posted by joeblow69
No?

There are plenty of legal poor people in this country that need the church's help.
The church shouldn't be able to harbor criminals. Period.

I don't think there's an "order of operations" for helping people.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
What if they are harboring criminals from immoral laws?
Why should churches be able to break "immoral" laws without consequences? I can't!
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there are many legal poor people that dont want the churchs help
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Aside from the legal/illegal issue, the tax-exempt issue, the money for the church issue and the what political party are they likely to support issue this is one time I personally like what (these) churches are doing.
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Originally Posted by joeblow69
Why should churches be able to break "immoral" laws without consequences? I can't!
Are the churches actually breaking a law here? (I don't know). There doesn't seem to be anybody trying to prosecute them.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Are the churches actually breaking a law here? (I don't know). There doesn't seem to be anybody trying to prosecute them.
I guess it's hard to tell what they're doing. the article says "offer illegals sanctuary from being deported" That implies to me that they are somehow preventing INS from deporting illegals that they otherwise would.

Does the church just tell INS they can't come in? And then INS are too wimpy to get a warrent and ransack the church? I really don't know...

I'm sure that if I were hiding illegals that the government wanted to deport in my house, I would end up in jail when they found out.

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Isn't this similar to American churches who harbored slaves in the 1800s as part of the Underground railroad? Seems there's a precidence here for churches to do the moral thing, even if it's illegal in the eyes of the law.
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Churches should pay taxes anyway.
why shouldn't they be treated like any other nonprofit?
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why shouldn't they be treated like any other nonprofit?
Because they believe in God.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Because they believe in God.
Right, 'cause churches are the only religious nonprofits in existence.

Would it be possible for you to ever argue anything on its merits, without resorting to sarcasm or misdirection, or is that just too much of an effort for you?
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