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Old 05-01-07, 03:41 AM
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Are College Campuses Too Liberal?

My newest ammo in this argument:

Jim McGreevey now teaching at Kean University

Teaching ETHICS!

I guess to make this thread unbiased Kean should hire W after 08 to teach Military Planning
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Old 05-01-07, 07:00 AM
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Not at all. College is a time for young people to be free, explore and experiment, and exercise their naive world view while they can do so safely and on their parents' tab. The hopeful fervor they bring to the debate helps keep everything from just stagnating into a pool of simmering cynicism. There's plenty of time to have their bright eyes blackened by reality once they enter the workforce.

“Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”—Winston Churchill
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Old 05-01-07, 09:13 AM
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I agree with Mike -- college is a time when we should encourage liberal thinking and liberal activism. Actually, of bigger concern (to me) is an open scoundrel like Douglas Feith teaching national security policy at Georgetown. (There's an excellent NPR piece where he defends the decision to invade Iraq... worth a listen.)
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Old 05-01-07, 09:16 AM
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My definition of 'liberal' probably differs considerably from the author of this thread's definition of 'liberal.'

btw: My definition of 'liberal' differs considerably from NCMojo's defnition of 'liberal,' I would imagine.
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Old 05-01-07, 09:28 AM
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Hey AGuyNamedMike, just a heads-up that there's no evidence that Churchill ever said that.
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There's probably no evidence that Churchill said a lot of things. That doesn't mean he didn't say them.
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Hey AGuyNamedMike, just a heads-up that there's no evidence that Churchill ever said that.
I had always heard it was Churchill too... guess I learned my something new for the day so I can go home now right

From wikipedia
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sir_Win...isattributions
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.

* According to research by Mark T. Shirey, citing Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations by Ralph Keyes, 1992, this quote was first uttered by mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman François Guizot when he observed, Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head. This quote has been attributed variously to George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin Disraeli, Otto von Bismarck, and others.

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Originally Posted by classicman2
My definition of 'liberal' probably differs considerably from the author of this thread's definition of 'liberal.'

btw: My definition of 'liberal' differs considerably from NCMojo's defnition of 'liberal,' I would imagine.
For that matter, your definition of "being a Democrat" differs considerably from mine.
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That's what's grand about being a Democrat.

Doesn't Churchill's son, I believe it's his son, he looks like him, say that his father did say that?
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Originally Posted by classicman2
That's what's grand about being a Democrat.

Doesn't Churchill's son, I believe it's his son, he looks like him, say that his father did say that?
The wikipedia page also mentions
Furthermore, the Churchill Centre, on its Falsely Attributed Quotations page, states "there is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this." Paul Addison of Edinburgh University is quoted as stating: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/...cfm?pageid=112
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Hey AGuyNamedMike, just a heads-up that there's no evidence that Churchill ever said that.
Yeah. Like nemein, I dug a bit:

“Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and
Familiar Misquotations” by Ralph Keyes, 1992.”

Keyes writes:

“An orphan quote [unattributed quote in search of a home] sometimes
attributed to Georges Clemenceau is:

Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart.
Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.

The most likely reason is that Bennet Cerf once reported Clemenceau’s
response to a visitor’s alarm about his son being a communist:

If he had not become a Communist at 22, I would have disowned him.

If he is still a Communist at 30, I will do it then.

George Seldes later quoted Lloyd George as having said:

A young man who isn’t a socialist hasn’t got a heart;
an old man who is a socialist hasn’t got a head.

The earliest known version of this observation is attributed to
mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman François Guizot:

Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart;
to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.
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Originally Posted by AGuyNamedMike
Not at all. College is a time for young people to be free, explore and experiment, and exercise their naive world view while they can do so safely and on their parents' tab. The hopeful fervor they bring to the debate helps keep everything from just stagnating into a pool of simmering cynicism. There's plenty of time to have their bright eyes blackened by reality once they enter the workforce.
Well said.
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Considering the competitive world we live in - I'm not so certain that the following is true any longer:

Originally Posted by AGuyNamedMike
Not at all. College is a time for young people to be free, explore and experiment, and exercise their naive world view while they can do so safely and on their parents' tab. The hopeful fervor they bring to the debate helps keep everything from just stagnating into a pool of simmering cynicism. There's plenty of time to have their bright eyes blackened by reality once they enter the workforce.
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My college certainly wasn't liberal. Yeah - I had a number of liberal professors since my major was Int'l Relations, but that was no biggy because they were open to hearing and debating opposing views. Young Republicans dominated the student population.

My law school was/is probably the most conservative in the country.
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My law school was/is probably the most conservative in the country.
Even more conservative than The Liberty University School of Law?
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Originally Posted by classicman2
Even more conservative than The Liberty University School of Law?

I'll rephrase - ABA accredited law school.
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Some are too liberal... some aren't liberal enough.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
I'll rephrase - ABA accredited law school.
What's the name of the university that Pat Robertson started?

They're going to have a law school also.

Perhaps you might consider an assistant professorship at that school of law?
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
I'll rephrase - ABA accredited law school.
Hey, they have provisional accreditation!

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Originally Posted by classicman2
What's the name of the university that Pat Robertson started?

They're going to have a law school also.

Perhaps you might consider an assistant professorship at that school of law?

I'll be teaching a seminar there called: 1st Amendment: Establishment Clause Law.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
My college certainly wasn't liberal. Yeah - I had a number of liberal professors since my major was Int'l Relations, but that was no biggy because they were open to hearing and debating opposing views. Young Republicans dominated the student population.

My law school was/is probably the most conservative in the country.
My brother was a poli-sci major at Bucknell. he thought a solid percentage of the professors were pretty liberal.

The campus itself though is certainly conservative (though seeing where most of the students came from it's not surprising).

It's not particularly liberal here, but at an engineering/tech school that's not surprising.
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Originally Posted by AGuyNamedMike
Not at all. College is a time for young people to be free, explore and experiment, and exercise their naive world view while they can do so safely and on their parents' tab. The hopeful fervor they bring to the debate helps keep everything from just stagnating into a pool of simmering cynicism. There's plenty of time to have their bright eyes blackened by reality once they enter the workforce.
You make liberalism sound like a drug. Why isn't the same said of conservatism? Why do you assume liberalism brings "hopeful fervor" when I see it bring very little of that.

Though I do like that your last sentence implies that liberalism is not based in reality.
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I went to a university where many of the professors belonged to the Austin Socialist Club. Does that make it liberal?
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