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Old 04-24-07, 12:55 PM
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Yahoo! assists Chinese government with arrest of dissidents

NEW YORK (AP) -- A human-rights group sued Yahoo Wednesday on grounds the U.S. search company assisted China's communist government with torture by revealing information that led to the arrest of dissidents.

The World Organization for Human Rights USA is seeking unspecified damages and wants Yahoo to actively secure the release of any detainees.

The group said businesses that operate abroad need to be more aware of their responsibilities.

"They should not be participating actively in promoting and encouraging major human-rights abuses," said Morton Sklar, executive director for the Washington, D.C.-based organization.

Yahoo has acknowledged turning over data on its users at the request of the Chinese government, saying company employees face civil and criminal sanctions if they ignore local laws.

Without commenting directly on the federal lawsuit the human-rights group filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, Yahoo spokesman Jim Cullinan said such a matter is "better suited for diplomacy than it is in the legal forum."

He said that although company officials are "distressed that citizens in China have been imprisoned for expressing their political view on the Internet," Yahoo plans to keep offering services in China out of a belief the Internet can promote change and transform lives in that country.

Dissidents reluctant to join complaint

The lawsuit cites federal laws that govern torture and other violations of international law. Plaintiffs included jailed dissident Wang Xiaoning and his wife, Yu Ling, who was visiting San Francisco this week as part of the group's campaign.

Sklar said he knew of three other cases, but the dissidents were reluctant to join the complaint for fear of harm to their families living in China. Among those three dissidents is journalist Shi Tao, who was sentenced in 2005 to 10 years in jail.

Part of the lawsuit's goal will be to determine how widespread Yahoo's assistance was, Sklar said, "and to stop this practice of U.S. corporations being complicit."

Yahoo rivals Microsoft and Google also have been accused of helping the Chinese government crush dissent in return for access to booming Internet markets, but only Yahoo has been accused of directly assisting in a dissident's arrest.

Google has offered a censored version of its popular search engine, while Microsoft shut down, at Beijing's request, a popular Chinese blog that touches on sensitive topics such as press freedoms.

Activists, meanwhile, have criticized Cisco Systems for selling computer-networking equipment that could potentially be used to monitor Internet use.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/interne....ap/index.html

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At what point does "a belief the Internet can promote change and transform lives in that country" turn into justification for participating in human rights abuses in exchange for market share?

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Old 04-24-07, 01:03 PM
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More fun facts about Chinese laws regarding Internet usage (from CNN):

Cybercafés are required to keep detailed logs of customers' online activity on file for 60 days. If a user tries to access forbidden Web sites, a café must disconnect the user and file a report with state agencies. Penalties for violations include fines and even imprisonment.

People cannot use cyber services without an identification card, which is kept on record for at least 60 days.

Every Chinese person who signs up for Internet service must register with his or her local police department within 30 days.

Chinese people trying to access information related to Taiwanese and Tibetan independence, the Dalai Lama, Tiananmen Square, SARS, opposition political parties, and anti-Communist movements will find themselves out of luck.

Here's a short list of keywords that will trigger the filtering system and block access to content:

# Revolution
# Equality
# Freedom
# Justice
# Taiwan
# Tibet
# Falun Gong
# Dissident
# Democracy
# STD
# Human rights
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Perhaps I missed it, but where can we blame the current admin. for allowing this to happen?
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Stephen Colbert had a great word for China: Frenemy.

But seriously, at what point do we say that the human cost for those $3 tube socks just isn't worth it? Especially when we're talking about awarding them Most Favored Nation status.
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taking MFN away from China isn't going to solve anything. it will probably make them regress back to where they were in the 1960's.

south korea was also a dictatorship at one time and now it's a democracy. once you throw money into a country and let it develop over time democracy will take over
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
At what point does "a belief the Internet can promote change and transform lives in that country" turn into justification for participating in human rights abuses in exchange for market share?
Excellent question. Very troubling issue.
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What do people suggest we do to China to make them change their behavior?
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Wonder if the Chinese government is taking the same hardline stand against spammers? Guess not.
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What do people suggest we do to China to make them change their behavior?
As I see it, we basically have two options -- either we can invade their country, depose the dictators who run the place, and install a democracy, or we can ask the UN to send a strong letter.
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I don't really have any problem with the way we deal with China- it's obvious that freer trade has helped to open up and liberate the country.

This Yahoo situation, however, is pretty troubling. I assume that they only need to cooperate with local authorities if they have servers there. And of course if they totally pull out of the market, how does that help the Chinese?
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
I don't really have any problem with the way we deal with China- it's obvious that freer trade has helped to open up and liberate the country.

This Yahoo situation, however, is pretty troubling. I assume that they only need to cooperate with local authorities if they have servers there. And of course if they totally pull out of the market, how does that help the Chinese?

Yep and yep.
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What do people suggest we do to China to make them change their behavior?
As a start - how about not buying so many goods from them?
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As a start - how about not buying so many goods from them?
Exactly!
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As I see it, we basically have two options -- either we can invade their country, depose the dictators who run the place, and install a democracy, or we can ask the UN to send a strong letter.
A letter? Isn't that a little drastic?
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As a start - how about not buying so many goods from them?

I'm on board. No Chinese cars sold in the U.S. for me.
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As I see it, we basically have two options -- either we can invade their country, depose the dictators who run the place, and install a democracy, or we can ask the UN to send a strong letter.

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Originally Posted by kvrdave
What do people suggest we do to China to make them change their behavior?
Chinese Food will now be called Freedom Food. Saying the word "Chinese" on American soil will result in a $50 fine per occurance.

Crap, I just got fined $100.
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As I see it, we basically have two options -- either we can invade their country, depose the dictators who run the place, and install a democracy, or we can ask the UN to send a strong letter.
The USA needs to figure out what democracy is itself before it can create such a thing in other countries. Their two-party dictatorship is NOT a democracy.
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You're right. Its a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
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2 party dictatorship?
we might have issues, but dictatorship?
please
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Originally Posted by murphy_wmm
The USA needs to figure out what democracy is itself before it can create such a thing in other countries. Their two-party dictatorship is NOT a democracy.

many people don't realize is that our two party system is really other countries' multi party systems rolled into 2 parties. party affiliation is mostly just a label here, local interests is what matters

most so called real democracies are nothing more than 2 main parties fighting it out for 2/3 to 80% of the vote and creating a coalition with a few fringe parties at both ends of the political spectrum
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