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When Did America Become a Nation of Frightened Wimps?

Old 04-14-07, 05:02 PM
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When Did America Become a Nation of Frightened Wimps?

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It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority – Benjamin Franklin

When did America become a nation of frightened wimps? When did we cross the line from courage to cowardice? Was it sometime in the 1990s? After the Oklahoma City bombing? After the Columbine shootings? After 911?

When did we decide to allow the police to smash into private homes without knocking and identifying themselves? Recently, in the suburb I live in, a special police force dressed in black Nazi style uniforms busted into a suburban home without warning and dragged a school teacher out of her house with an automatic weapon at the back of her head. They forced her to the ground, handcuffed her, and hauled her away while her neighbors watched. They did it without a warrant and without consequence. Why? A misunderstanding. That is precisely why we need checks in place, to avoid misunderstandings and abuses. The police chief said, “When we realized it was a mistake, we all had a good laugh.” If a group of unidentified men dragged his wife away at gunpoint, I wonder if he would still think it was funny.

When did we decide it was okay to strip search an old lady at the airport because the pin in her hip set off the metal detector? When did we decide it was too risky to take a cup of coffee on an airplane? When did we decide it was reasonable to make a nursing mother drink her own breast milk to prove she wasn’t a terrorist? When we impose such extreme levels of security, haven’t the terrorists already won? Haven’t we willingly given our freedom to the government and the terrorists in the name of security?

When did we decide it was okay for policemen in combat boots with German Shepherds to patrol High School hallways?

When did we decide to allow routine police roadblocks? Why weren’t we outraged?

When did we decide it was too dangerous for our children to ride their bikes to school?

When did we decide it was okay for the government to seize property without a trial, without due process, at the whim of a government agency?

When did we decide that our government had a right to the fluids inside our own bodies? Or a right to the very breath in our lungs? When did we decide that it was the accused’s responsibility to prove they hadn’t been breaking the law? When did we decide that drug testing High School students was reasonable? Hell, why is it reasonable to drug test anyone – ever? Why would anybody, for any reason, have the right to invade your body without your permission?

When did we decide to give 10 year prison sentences to adolescents for having sex? Was it before or after we decided to put them in jail for smoking cigarettes and drinking beer? If my memory serves me correctly, when I was a teenager, almost everyone I knew either was doing it or wanted to do it. Why did we make what is biological and natural, criminal?

When did we decide it is too risky for 20-year-olds to drink but reasonable for them to kill and die overseas? Does that make sense to anyone?

We’ve justified every one of these injustices by claiming that it was necessary to preserve health and safety. I say bullsh!t. What is the point in being a safe slave?

I think we crossed the line somewhere between 1984 and 1988, around the time we outlawed lawn darts and every mini van in America had a ‘baby-on-board’ sign. While lawn darts and baby on board signs may seem trivial, they were warning signs of a mass shift in American values – a shift away from freedom and liberty as predominant values to health and safety as predominant values. There will be no end to the loss of freedom if we believe being healthy and safe trumps all else.

I believe there was day when most Americans accepted that life was risky. They accepted that bad things can happen to good people. They accepted that risk was an inherent part being free. They didn’t need a new law or government program every time something bad happened.

It is sad to watch our freedom slowly disappear in front of our eyes with so few people taking action.

But I have hope. I sense a shift. Something is blowing in the wind. I can smell it. I can feel it. I can see it in young people. A move away from authoritarianism - like the people that run The Free Talk Live podcast, one of the most popular podcasts in the world. The Free Talk Live podcasters make no apologies and pull no punches in their love of freedom. They tell it like it is.

He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither – Benjamin Franklin
Note that his B. Franklin quote isn't quite accurate. Otherwise well written blog piece that I agree with.
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Old 04-14-07, 05:20 PM
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When did we decide to allow the police to smash into private homes without knocking and identifying themselves?
Denzel at least faked his warrants.

When did we decide it was okay to strip search an old lady at the airport because the pin in her hip set off the metal detector?
When fetish porn sites proliferated?

When did we decide it was too risky to take a cup of coffee on an airplane?
You can get coffee on airplanes still. I had one a couple months ago.

When did we decide it was reasonable to make a nursing mother drink her own breast milk to prove she wasn’t a terrorist?

We brought all sorts of liquids on a trip to Oklahoma for our child and they didn't even have to meet the minimum size requirements of other passengers and they didn't have to be in a baggie. We just had to declare them, and we didn't have to taste anything.

When we impose such extreme levels of security, haven’t the terrorists already won?
Not really, no. We're still alive... Israel is still around, and they don't control every government on the planet.

Haven’t we willingly given our freedom to the government and the terrorists in the name of security?
To the government, yes. How have we given our freedom to the terrorists? We've taken their freedoms the same as our own.

When did we decide it was okay for policemen in combat boots with German Shepherds to patrol High School hallways?
When school hallways increasingly became crime scenes and there was no armed staff in the building?

When did we decide to allow routine police roadblocks? Why weren’t we outraged?
I dont' know when, but why get outraged when it might make you late getting home to watch 24?

When did we decide it was too dangerous for our children to ride their bikes to school?
<B>Kids don't ride their bikes to school?</b>

When did we decide it was okay for the government to seize property without a trial, without due process, at the whim of a government agency?
<B>They shouldn't me able to do that! </b>

When did we decide that our government had a right to the fluids inside our own bodies?
<B>I suppose we could wait to tax the piss until after it leaves the body, but that would just be a messy thing to measure. What is this referring to?</b>

Or a right to the very breath in our lungs?
<B>Huh? Is the government sticking vacuums down people's throats that I am unaware of?</b>

When did we decide that it was the accused’s responsibility to prove they hadn’t been breaking the law?
<B>We shouldn't decide that... not sure we have, unless you are referring to the media and not the courtroom.</b>

When did we decide that drug testing High School students was reasonable? Hell, why is it reasonable to drug test anyone – ever?
<B>Sure, No drug tests. No more DUIs either... wait until they hit someone to charge them.</b>

Why would anybody, for any reason, have the right to invade your body without your permission?
<b>Invasion of the Body snatchers!!! </b>

When did we decide to give 10 year prison sentences to adolescents for having sex? Was it before or after we decided to put them in jail for smoking cigarettes and drinking beer? If my memory serves me correctly, when I was a teenager, almost everyone I knew either was doing it or wanted to do it. Why did we make what is biological and natural, criminal?
<b>Killing is also perfectly biological and natural.</b>

When did we decide it is too risky for 20-year-olds to drink but reasonable for them to kill and die overseas? Does that make sense to anyone?
<b>Sorry, the connection is...?</b>

We’ve justified every one of these injustices by claiming that it was necessary to preserve health and safety. I say bullsh!t. What is the point in being a safe slave?
<b>Health insurance?</b>




Okay, now that I've made an arse of myself in my responses to his points, I'll say that I strongly agree with the principle he is trying to convey.
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When did we decide to cry about everything?
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Originally Posted by Lunatikk
When did we decide to cry about everything?
I like that phrasing too.

We have such a sense of entitlement in this country. Everyone mistakes "having rights" with "deserving" things. That's part of why people expect the government to babysit everyone.

Cry enough, and the government will happily step in to shut you up. And then tax you for it.

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When did we decide to cry about everything?
When we registered on DVDtalk

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When did we decide it is too risky for 20-year-olds to drink but reasonable for them to kill and die overseas? Does that make sense to anyone?
On an armed forces base in the United States or abroad it is the discretion of the base commander as to the drinking age. In the US it is customarily kept to the limit of the state. Overseas it is 18 if alcoholic beverage is allowed at all. This is a common misconception amongst those who have never served.
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When we registered on DVDtalk

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On an armed forces base in the United States or abroad it is the discretion of the base commander as to the drinking age. In the US it is customarily kept to the limit of the state. Overseas it is 18 if alcoholic beverage is allowed at all. This is a common misconception amongst those who have never served.
So basically you're saying if you want to drink before you're 21, join the army?
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
So basically you're saying if you want to drink before you're 21, join the army?
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So basically you're saying if you want to drink before you're 21, join the army?
Oh Hell no!

Join the Marines.
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I agree!!!!





...wait, you are talking about Don Imus, right?
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Originally Posted by crazyronin
On an armed forces base in the United States or abroad it is the discretion of the base commander as to the drinking age. In the US it is customarily kept to the limit of the state. Overseas it is 18 if alcoholic beverage is allowed at all. This is a common misconception amongst those who have never served.
Actually at this point it's essentially a blanket policy. Even if the drinking age may be under 21 in the host nation, if you get caught drunk underage, you'll still get in trouble. Not certain about Germany though -- but that's here in Korea and also Canada. There's also a blanket thing against prostitution now even though it was legal in Germany (although frowned upon from the stories I've heard).

Still most of that crap in the OP is pure anecdotal evidence that I believe rests more on the individual circumstances than any general shift. Even when I flew using my military ID I got searched more than when I used my license. ehhh. No biggie.
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when i was in korea 1993-1994 it was 18. i heard it was raised to 21 later on because most people literally spent the year drunk over there. i know i did. at least i think i remember

my initiation party i drank so much i was sick for 3 days
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In a similar vein...

Lee Iacocca on Bush

Had Enough?

Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course."

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies. Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.

My friends tell me to calm down. They say, "Lee, you're eighty-two years old. Leave the rage to the young people." I'd love to—as soon as I can pry them away from their iPods for five seconds and get them to pay attention. I'm going to speak up because it's my patriotic duty. I think people will listen to me. They say I have a reputation as a straight shooter. So I'll tell you how I see it, and it's not pretty, but at least it's real. I'm hoping to strike a nerve in those young folks who say they don't vote because they don't trust politicians to represent their interests. Hey, America, wake up. These guys work for us.

Who Are These Guys, Anyway?

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This one goes on for quite a bit. The message is similar to that of the blogger in the OP, but the difference is that Iacocca has enough balls to point fingers, backs up his ranting with facts, and generally just writes a higher quality rant. Plus there was a school named after him in Robocop...

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. . . 20 minutes later an ambulance pulled up to Mr. Lee's house on a call about a heart attack.
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When we started posting articles by linguini spined morons who would rather have planes blown up than offend a Moslem male 18-50 years old by searching them.
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When did we decide it was too dangerous for our children to ride their bikes to school?
When it BECAME too dangerous for our children to ride their bikes to school.

While I agree with some of his sentiment, it's one thing to not live in fear and take a few risks with your own life. I'll be damned if I'll ever take risks with my children's.
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Oh I get it, since shit is spilling over into Suburbia and not staying in the Ghettos...<i>NOW</i> it's wrong.... Cute article
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Good commentary.
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Oh I get it, since shit is spilling over into Suburbia and not staying in the Ghettos...<i>NOW</i> it's wrong.... Cute article
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It started during the Clinton years when the media was happy that they had their guy in there and wanted to set an adjenda.
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Clinton was a media darling?

Hardly!
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Originally Posted by classicman2
Clinton was a media darling?

Hardly!

Cman2 is smokin' that shit again.
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Clinton was a media darling?

Hardly!
Well, to the extent that his antics and alleged antics sold newspapers, yes.
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