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Old 02-24-07, 12:43 PM
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Former ACLU Chapter President Arrested for Child Pornography

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2900174&page=1

Former ACLU Chapter President Arrested for Child Pornography
Complaint Alleges Virginia Man Accessed, Downloaded Graphic Child Pornography
By JACK DATE
Feb. 23, 2007— - Federal agents arrested Charles Rust-Tierney, the former president of the Virginia chapter of the ACLU, Friday in Arlington for allegedly possessing child pornography.

According to a criminal complaint obtained by ABC News, Rust-Tierney allegedly used his e-mail address and credit card to subscribe to and access a child pornography website.

The complaint states that federal investigations into child pornography websites revealed that "Charles Rust-Tierney has subscribed to multiple child pornography website over a period of years."

As recently as last October, the complaint alleges, "Rust-Tierney purchased access to a group of hardcore commercial child pornography websites."

Complaint Alleges Access to Graphic Material

Rust-Tierney admitted to investigators that he had downloaded videos and images from child pornography websites onto CD-ROMs, according to the complaint.

The videos described in the complaint depict graphic forcible intercourse with prepubescent females. One if the girls is described in court documents as being "seen and heard crying", another is described as being "bound by rope."


The investigation is being conducted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and the Arlington County Police as part of the Northern Virginia and District of Columbia Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force.

Rust-Tierney made an initial appearance in a federal court in Alexandria, VA, Friday. He is being detained pending a preliminary hearing scheduled for Wednesday, February 28.

Youth Coach, Argued Against Restricting Public Internet

Rust Tierney coaches various youth sports teams in and around Arlington, Virginia, according to court documents.

In the past, Rust-Tierney had argued against restricting Internet access in public libraries in Virginia, writing, "Recognizing that individuals will continue to behave responsibly and appropriately while in the library, the default should be maximum, unrestricted access to the valuable resources of the Internet."

Calls to Rust-Tierney's home were not answered and calls to the ACLU of Virginia were not immediately returned.

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No wonder he argued for unrestricted internet access at public libraries. This guy is a sick f---. I suspect that the defense will try to turn this into a free speech spectacle.
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Why the fuck are Federal Immigration and Custom agents involved in this? Heck, I can't fathom why the feds should be involved with this period but that ship sailed long ago.
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Old 02-24-07, 12:59 PM
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No wonder he argued for unrestricted internet access at public libraries.
No, he argued for unrestricted internet access at public libraries because it's part of the librarian code of ethics. However, this does not include activities that are illegal, such as viewing child pornography. Aside from that, I can't think of any other information that one shouldn't be able to view at a public library.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
Why the fuck are Federal Immigration and Custom agents involved in this? Heck, I can't fathom why the feds should be involved with this period but that ship sailed long ago.
I think the bolded part is your answer. Immigration was combined with Customs to form ICE. The porn probably came from overseas.
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Why the fuck are Federal Immigration and Custom agents involved in this? Heck, I can't fathom why the feds should be involved with this period but that ship sailed long ago.
customs and immigration I can't answer
feds in general: internet porn usually crosses state lines
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Originally Posted by mikehunt
feds in general: internet porn usually crosses state lines

I know that's the reason, but I don't agree with that rationale. Plus I have little doubt that they would be involved if, say, 2 people within a single state were e-mailing porn to each other.
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I know that's the reason, but I don't agree with that rationale. Plus I have little doubt that they would be involved if, say, 2 people within a single state were e-mailing porn to each other.
even if they are in the same state, there is a good chance the packets crossed state lines.
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I think that when it comes to these cases, the FBI is usually involved with the investigation. The internet task force could be one of their divisions.

Not sure what's the deal about using custom agents - some details probably went overseas.
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No, he argued for unrestricted internet access at public libraries because it's part of the librarian code of ethics.
What's the librarian code of ethics?
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What's the librarian code of ethics?
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/statement...codeethics.htm

This is the "official" code of ethics from the ALA.
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/statement...codeethics.htm

This is the "official" code of ethics from the ALA.
Who gives a flying fuck about that!?!?

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Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
Who gives a flying fuck about that!?!?

Librarians, library patrons, the literate, etc.
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
No, he argued for unrestricted internet access at public libraries because it's part of the librarian code of ethics. However, this does not include activities that are illegal, such as viewing child pornography. Aside from that, I can't think of any other information that one shouldn't be able to view at a public library.
While we all agree child porn is bad, you would support 'legal' porn viewing at the public library under the razor-thin guise of 'research'?

To me, that's pretty creepy.

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Originally Posted by wendersfan
Librarians, library patrons, the literate, etc.
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Originally Posted by Nazgul
While we all agree child porn is bad, you would support 'legal' porn viewing at the public library under the razor-thin guise of 'research'?

To me, that's pretty creepy.
Yes, I would. A library patron can look at anything they want and they don't need to provide any reason. I don't think it's appropriate, but support of open access leads us down some interesting roads.
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but what if kids can see what he's looking at? at my library the computers are in an open space. should the library have to rebuild the computer area to give them privacy?
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I think librarians' argument with that would be that there may be books with graphic or sexually explicit images. Someone could be browsing through such a book and a kid could pass by and see it. Would that mean these books should be banned?
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I've never been to a library that has a porn section.

There is a difference between a biology book and a porn magazine
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Who said it was a "porn magazine"? There are MANY categories of books that may have sexually explicit pictures or descriptions - biology books, relationship books, fiction novels, adult level comic books. It can go on. Sex in books is just one thing. What about violent images and descriptions - think of books about war, terror, culture, space monsters, etc.

Such books may not be easy to find but there are out there.
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But the topic being discussed is people using library computers to look up porn
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Rust Tierney argued for unrestricted access at libraries and I support that, even though he's a baby lover. Maybe the library actually could have private viewing areas for unrestricted access to such things as websites showing images of war victims, or something. Obviously, illegal content would not be tolerated, but you can't restrict all porn websites.
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I dont understand this huge push to have free access to anything in a library. If you want unfettered access GO HOME.

I use the library all the time, but I dont believe I have I right to dictate thier policy...basically I look at it as, HEY! These people are doing me a huge favor and giving me free shit!
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But the topic being discussed is people using library computers to look up porn
I don't know what exactly the ACLU argued - AFAIK it was about restricted internet access as in censorship which isn't necessarily limited to the subject of actual porn sites.

My thinking is that people need to take an objective look at the situation by recognizing that the library may very well already have books with violent or sexual images. Some people might define such things as porn or obscene. If the internet is restricted from these things, then it just encourages more censorship leading to the bannings of books thought to be offensive.
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but what if kids can see what he's looking at? at my library the computers are in an open space. should the library have to rebuild the computer area to give them privacy?
A public library is not a preschool, and parents should not expect that the library will stop adult patrons from accessing information they want in order to "protect" children.
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I use the library all the time, but I dont believe I have I right to dictate thier policy...basically I look at it as, HEY! These people are doing me a huge favor and giving me free shit!
We're glad you don't want to dictate our policies. Why do you feel the need to denigrate the professional ethics of the librarian profession?
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