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Barack Obama - Another Abraham Lincoln?

Old 02-09-07, 09:43 AM
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Barack Obama - Another Abraham Lincoln?

What do you think about the comparison?

I've been watching CSPAN this morning, and it's surprising that almost every caller is comparing Obama with Lincoln.

Not only is it a little early to make such comparisons - it's a little bit of a stretch, IMHO.

One caller made, IMO, a much better comparison. He compared Barack Obama with Mario Cuomo.
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Old 02-09-07, 09:58 AM
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I thought Lincoln was overrated, so the comparison seems to make sense to me.
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Old 02-09-07, 10:20 AM
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they are both politicians. the comparison ends there.
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Old 02-09-07, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
I thought Lincoln was overrated, so the comparison seems to make sense to me.
Who had a bigger set of balls than Lincoln?
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Old 02-09-07, 10:24 AM
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If he gets shot, you can make a comparison.

*I do not want him to get shot.
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No sale until Obama sports the Reverse Beard.
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Old 02-09-07, 10:58 AM
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I really believe a comparison between Cuomo and Obama is valid.

They're both very articulate and possess charisma.

They both say/said a lot of things without saying a lot of things that have real substance.

Now don't misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm not being critical of the new media darling.
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I think the comparison is valid. They each made one rousing speech a million years ago and are still riding its reputation.
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Old 02-09-07, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by classicman2
I really believe a comparison between Cuomo and Obama is valid.

They're both very articulate and possess charisma.

They both say/said a lot of things without saying a lot of things that have real substance.

Now don't misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm not being critical of the new media darling.

I was going to flag you for the use of the word 'articulate' but you covered yourself by also using it to describe a white man. Well played.
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Originally Posted by adamblast
I think the comparison is valid. They each made one rousing speech a million years ago and are still riding its reputation.
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The parallels are obvious. Both men are from Illinois, though neither was born in Illinois. Both had limited experience in Congress and somewhat more experience in the Illinois State Legislature prior to their presidential runs. Both famously debated Stephen Douglas,* and both are black.**

* Except for Obama.
** Except for Lincoln.
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It's crazy. Lincoln wasn't clean.
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Old 02-09-07, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonF
The parallels are obvious. Both men are from Illinois, though neither was born in Illinois. Both had limited experience in Congress and somewhat more experience in the Illinois State Legislature prior to their presidential runs. Both famously debated Stephen Douglas,* and both are black.**

* Except for Obama.
** Except for Lincoln.
According to the first guest on last night's Colbert Report, Obama isn't black, because he's not the descendant of West Africans that were brought as slaves to America.

So I guess they're both white.
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According to the first guest on last night's Colbert Report, Obama isn't black, because he's not the descendant of West Africans that were brought as slaves to America.

So I guess they're both white.
Well, you can say neither one is black, but I don't necessarily think they are white, either. I believe most historians now agree that Lincoln was half Filipino and half Italian (back then, Italian didn't count as White). Obama, on the other hand, is a blend of Cajun, Korean, Norwegian, and Olmec.
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Well, you can say neither one is black, but I don't necessarily think they are white, either. I believe most historians now agree that Lincoln was half Filipino and half Italian (back then, Italian didn't count as White). Obama, on the other hand, is a blend of Cajun, Korean, Norwegian, and Olmec.
I'm sorry, but we have two races in America- black and white. They need to pick one or be labeled un-American.
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Does this mean those people want him assassinated?


I might go to a Obama campaign event tomorrow. Since I haven't picked which candidate to support, would that be dishonest? I wonder if there will be chicks there
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Go, with the full reality that you most likely will return from that event - Obamanized.

I awaited with bated breath his speech on Iraq. The media played it up for all it was worth. He said nothing of import. Joe Biden may screw up with the wrong words quite a few times, but he has put forth a plan concerning Iraq.
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I doubt I'll be Obamanized. I dont think he's going to be there
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So Obama is gay?
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The local media is ga-ga over Obama. His national campaign office is opening across the street from my office (and ironically, it's in the same building as the local Fox affiliate -- but it's also very close to the NBC, ABC, and a short cab ride to the CBS affiliate)
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Obama is going to transform America. Didn't you know that?
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I believe the parallels between Obama and Lincoln were drawn by Sen. Obama. That's his opinion and that's pretty much where it ends for me.

It's like when they compare a rookie CF to Willie Mays. Ok, that's nice, but talk to me when his career is over.

I'm looking forward to his interview on 60 min tonight though.
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I was just going to post a couple things about Obama...but I guess I'll post them here.....

I was reading Dan Sharnoff's blog which referenced Obama, which made me look up his 2004 Democractic National Convention address, and I remembered his charisma and a lot of those intangible things that really could give him a shot.....then I wanted to remind myself of his platform.

A major concern of mine is his insistence for Universal Healthcare (I just googled for the full text). That being my field....I'm concerned. I think our HC system is a problem, but I look at Canada's issues with UHC, and it scares me. As a professional I wouldn't want to work in that...and as a citizen, I wouldn't want to be subject to it. This is just one issue, and I'm not going to make a decision solely on this...but it is a concern for me.

I still have a lot of questions about Obama...and I'd sincerely appreciate if people can help this very traditional republican understand someone who seems like he could be a good compromise *IF* he can come a bit more to the middle.

1. Who do you think he matches up with politically?
2. How will he be different than our current situation?
3. Can he really take the lead, or is he going to be the product of the dem machine?
4. Who should be afraid of Obama gets elected?
5. Who should the dems stick with him, and why should a repub. support him?

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