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Poll: Who's telling the truth, Hillary Clinton, or "The Millionaire Next Door?"

Old 01-14-07, 01:03 PM
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Poll: Who's telling the truth, Hillary Clinton, or "The Millionaire Next Door?"

I vote for "The Millionaire Next Door."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...546081,00.html

January 14, 2007

"It is not rich Americans who have made this country great. It is hard-working Americans who have worked hard to lift themselves and their children up."

- Hillary Clinton

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...renextdoor.htm

"The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America's Wealthy"

By Thomas J. Stanley, Ph. D. and William D. Danko, Ph. D.

Chapter One: Meet the Millionaire Next Door

"About 80 percent of us are first-generation affluent."
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Old 01-14-07, 02:37 PM
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Wouldn't: "hard-working Americans who have worked hard to lift themselves and their children up" cover those who are "first-generation affluent."?
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Old 01-14-07, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Venusian
Wouldn't: "hard-working Americans who have worked hard to lift themselves and their children up" cover those who are "first-generation affluent."?

Yes.

And that's why Hillary is wrong.
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I'm not going to vote in this poll because they aren't even saying contrary things!
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Old 01-14-07, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by grundle
Yes.

And that's why Hillary is wrong.
didn't you just say Hillary was right by saying "Yes."?

I'm confused
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didn't you just say Hillary was right by saying "Yes."?

I'm confused
You've entered the bizarro world of the grundle poll, where right is wrong, left is right.

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Originally Posted by Venusian
didn't you just say Hillary was right by saying "Yes."?

I'm confused
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Old 01-14-07, 11:43 PM
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I vote yes, unless the answer is no.
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Old 01-15-07, 12:39 AM
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I was wishing for a 3rd option, which is normally my vote in grundle threads.
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Old 01-15-07, 01:11 AM
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All I know is, hard-working Americans don't actually work hard.
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Old 01-15-07, 01:17 AM
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Hillary is saying millionaires aren't rich.
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Old 01-15-07, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Lord Rick
You've entered the bizarro world of the grundle poll, where right is wrong, left is right.

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Old 01-15-07, 07:37 AM
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Hillary is saying millionaires aren't rich.
Nowadays, is having a net worth of ~$1 million actually "rich"? Comfortable, sure... but I'm not sure about "rich".
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Hillary is saying that "rich Americans" are not "hard working Americans."
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Originally Posted by VinVega
I was wishing for a 3rd option, which is normally my vote in grundle threads.

Same here, a "This poll is stupid" would have been gread for this thread.
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Old 01-15-07, 06:36 PM
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Nowadays, is having a net worth of ~$1 million actually "rich"? Comfortable, sure... but I'm not sure about "rich".
i would think that qualifies as rich since you'd be close to the very top percentiles...what would you call rich?
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Old 01-15-07, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by grundle
Hillary is saying that "rich Americans" are not "hard working Americans."
Not if she's speaking English. She's clearly noting that there are two groups, and that the latter group is responsible for America's success, but she is not saying that there is no overlap between the two groups.
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Originally Posted by Venusian
i would think that qualifies as rich since you'd be close to the very top percentiles...what would you call rich?

I don't think I've ever seen it broken down based on net worth. That would be interesting to see. I would think that there are an incredible amount of people that are worth a million or more just based on the equity in their home and retirement plan.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Not if she's speaking English. She's clearly noting that there are two groups, and that the latter group is responsible for America's success, but she is not saying that there is no overlap between the two groups.
Please, this is a grundle thread. Leave your "logic" and "reason" at the door, sir!
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Not if she's speaking English. She's clearly noting that there are two groups, and that the latter group ...
... carries more votes.

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Old 01-16-07, 12:35 AM
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http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/09/news...alth/index.htm

This is from 2005 and shows 2.5 million millionaires. They qualify that by excluding home real estate. I wonder how much that would change in they included it. It is also nice to think that it is a group that I could conceivably be a part of some day. Probably by the time I do, everyone will be a part of it, but still....moral victory!!!

That is also before the big real estate explosion.
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Her argument is basically "old money" (trust-fund kids that live off inherited milions) vs. "new money" (people that make their own millions). And I think most would agree that she's right.


BTW, your link goes to an article about Barack Obama.
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I wonder if they can get the Democrats to back a wealth tax. Naturally, to include Ted Kennedy we'll have to include foreign trusts whose beneficiaries are US citizens.

Don't think that will get much support or even be brought up by the party of "pay your fair share."
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