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Old 10-16-06, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bhk
from the see-BS link:

Not the same thing at all.
You're right, it's not. Hastert actually maneuvered federal legislation and federal dollars to his own personal benefit. I see no evidence of Reid doing anything of the sort.

But your clever use of "see-BS" has helped me rethink the whole thing...

BTW, I love the bolding. You're actually using his public statement at face value as your rebuttal. Awesome!
Old 10-16-06, 04:55 PM
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You're right, it's not. Hastert actually maneuvered federal legislation and federal dollars to his own personal benefit. I see no evidence of Reid doing anything of the sort.
Are you kidding? Reid passed through Clark County Conservation of Public Land and Natural Resources Act of 2002, which forced the dept. of Interior to sell off 18,000 acres of land around Las Vegas.
The land that Hastert owns is 3-5 miles away from the proposed highway.
That realclearpolitics article is biased as the AP story on Reid was widely covered by WashingtonPost, USA Today, CNN, NY Times, LaTimes, etc. there are currently 135 links on google news dealing with the land deal and the Reid's statements.
Thus far the broadcast networks have been pretty silent on it.

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Originally Posted by bhk
Are you kidding? Reid passed through Clark County Conservation of Public Land and Natural Resources Act of 2002, which forced the dept. of Interior to sell off 18,000 acres of land around Las Vegas.
The land that Hastert owns is 3-5 miles away from the proposed highway.
I never thought I'd see the day when you'd be AGAINST privatization of wasted federal land, but FOR a wasteful highway project. I guess when push comes to shove, partisanship wins out over principle.

I think they're both pretty sketchy deals, that they both should be looked into, and that they are (despite your protestations) quite similar.

Thus far the broadcast networks have been pretty silent on it.
The Republican persecution complex in regards to "The Media" apparently knows no bounds.

Tell you what, google the Reid story and the Hastert story and see which gets more hits. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Just kidding, I'm going home.
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Originally Posted by bhk
Then what was that $400,000 he got for the land before, you know, when he sold it but still owned it afterwars?
Since it was an LLC that he was an owner of, I assume he bought it from himself and there was no actual financial gain/loss as it was all on paper anyway. You still didn't address the fact that he was still saying he owned it, and not trying to hide <i>that</i> fact from Congress at all. As I said, he may have wanted to hide his involvement with the other guy, but I think in doing so he makes his own personal financial interest in the area more, not less, visible.
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Originally Posted by DrRingDing

Harry Reid has barely been mentioned, because the scandal is puny in comparison to others...
Harry Reids scandal is puny in comparison?? hmmm would you perhaps be a Democrat?

Lets do some math

Weldon scandal: $1 milllion

Reid scandal: $1.1 million plus using campaign money for things like Christmas bonuses, etc.

Now I'm no rocket scientist but $1.1 million + is bigger than $1 million, so how exactly is that puny in comparison??
Old 10-16-06, 06:04 PM
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And here's another. The Repubs just don't know when to stop!

As an aside, how the heck does being a veterinarian qualify you to head the FDA?


Ex-FDA chief to plead guilty in stock case
Lester Crawford held onto shares in companies governed by agency

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15291650/

WASHINGTON - Former FDA chief Lester Crawford will plead guilty for failing to disclose a financial interest in companies his agency regulated, his lawyer said Monday.

The Justice Department accused the former head of the Food and Drug Administration with falsely reporting that he had sold stock in companies when he continued holding shares in the firms governed by FDA rules.

Crawford “is going to plead guilty to two misdemeanors tomorrow afternoon and he is going to admit his financial disclosures had errors and omissions, mostly with his wife’s continued ownership of stocks,” said Crawford’s lawyer, Barbara Van Gelder.
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“At the end of the day, he owned these stocks and he will admit he owned them while he was at the FDA and he will take responsibility for that,” said Van Gelder.

Accused of making a false writing and conflict of interest, Crawford was scheduled to appear before a federal magistrate Tuesday afternoon. Each carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison.

The papers say Crawford failed to disclose his income from exercising stock options in Embrex Inc. of Research Triangle Park, N.C., an agriculture biotechnology company. Crawford had been a member of Embrex’s board of directors, according to federal filings.

The court papers also say Crawford chaired FDA’s Obesity Working Group at a time when he and his wife owned stock in soft drink and snack food manufacturer Pepsico Inc., based in Purchase, N.Y., and food product manufacturer Sysco Corp., based in Houston.

The panel Crawford was chairing was making decisions affecting food and soft drink manufacturers.

Crawford, a veterinarian, abruptly resigned from the FDA job in September 2005 but gave no reason for his decision to step down. He had held the top position for just two months but had been acting head of the agency for more than a year.

According to the Justice Department’s court papers:

* A government ethics official inquired about Crawford’s ownership of stock in several companies FDA regulates and Crawford replied in a Dec. 28, 2004 e-mail that “Sysco and Kimberly-Clark have in fact been sold.” Actually, the court papers state, Crawford knew that he or his wife held shares in both.
* Even though financial reporting requirements for federal officials say all income must be disclosed, Crawford failed to reveal $8,000 in income from the exercise of Embrex stock options in 2003, and failed to report $20,000 from the sale of Embrex stock options in 2004.
* At the time he was making decisions chairing the government obesity panel, Crawford and his wife owned more than $25,000 in Pepsico shares and over $25,000 in Sysco shares.
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Questions I'd like to have Harry Reid answer:

How did he get the $400,000 to buy the land in the first place?

Why did he go into a partnership with a lawyer whose name keeps cropping up in organized crime investigations involving LasVegas Casinos?

If his relationship with that lawyer is legitimate, why did Reid structure his Senate ethics filings to eliminate any reference to their partnership or the corporate entity they owned jointly?

Reid's investment increased by $700,000 in a very short time after his unacknowledged partner used Harry Reid's name to get rezoning so that a shopping center could be built on that site. Did Reid knowingly peddle his influence in Wash. and Nevada to increase his profit by almost 200%(around 175% more that the percentage of the profits of Exxon)?

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Originally Posted by bhk
Questions I'd like to have Harry Reid answer:

How did he get the $400,000 to buy the land in the first place?
If I'm understanding what happened correctly, there never was any $400,000. Lets pretend you have a car worth $100k. You start a company called bhkars. You buy this car from yourself with bhkars for $100k. Bhkars is now the owner. You did not make any money or lose any money in the deal. There never even was a $100k.

Why do you keep ignoring my question about how was Harry Reid hiding his ownership by saying he owned the land, when in actuality it was his LLC. It's a simple question. I promise to answer any of yours, that I haven't already posed to you.

Did Reid knowingly peddle his influence in Wash. and Nevada to increase his profit by more than 100%(more that the percentage of the profits of Exxon)?
Quite possibly. All though your "more than the precentage of proftis" is the silliest thing I've heard in a while. My sister makes was employed for about 2 months last year. She made about a $500 before being fired. My mom wrote her a check recently for $1500. Her profits have tripled! That's more than the percentage of profits of Reid and Exxon combined!
Old 10-17-06, 12:34 AM
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http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat...06/8306315.pdf

Some details of what Harry Reid has done.
Includes sponsoring quite a bit of legislation that helped his family. Reid isn't alone in doing that however.
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Why do you keep ignoring my question about how was Harry Reid hiding his ownership by saying he owned the land, when in actuality it was his LLC. It's a simple question. I promise to answer any of yours, that I haven't already posed to you.
Not to mention that there is a deed signed by Mr. and Mrs. Harry Reid from 1998. But he still reported that he personally owned the land until it was sold in 2004. He didn't report that he had any personal interest in the LLC. And in Nevada filings, Reid isn't listed anywhere on Patrick Lane's corporate filings with Nevada even though the land he sold accounted for three-quarters of the company's assets. Also would the tax paid on the land by Brown all those years be considered a gift to Sen. Reid as he didn't have to pay any of it?
Info from the original AP story.

He was hiding it by not disclosing it to the Senate. That is falsifying an official statement according to Federal law.

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Quite possibly. All though your "more than the precentage of proftis" is the silliest thing I've heard in a while.
No it puts it into perspective. The average person has pretty much no chance of pulling this off like those Hillary cattle futures. Even a successful company like Exxon Mobil makes around 10-20% profit and are roundly vilified.

And surprise! He blames republicans for smearing him(as he's announcing that he's getting a do-over on his filing )
The original source for the AP story was actually one of his former advisors who smelled something fishy. It appears that the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy(TM) has infiltrated the highest levels of the opposition party.

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Explanation from Reid
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Originally Posted by bcbaum
Thanks for posting that. The more I find out about this "scandal," the less convinced I am that there's any "there" there. It looks like Reid may have committed a technical violation by not disclosing that the nature of his ownership of the land had changed. But he disclosed the underlying asset, which is the important thing. And, more importantly, it does not appear that he used his Senatorial position for personal profit.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Thanks for posting that. The more I find out about this "scandal," the less convinced I am that there's any "there" there. It looks like Reid may have committed a technical violation by not disclosing that the nature of his ownership of the land had changed. But he disclosed the underlying asset, which is the important thing. And, more importantly, it does not appear that he used his Senatorial position for personal profit.
It looks like that to me also. But of course the Republicans are desperate, and they have to grab at any straws that are available.
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Originally Posted by chess
Awesome post. "Scandals"...with quotes...as if they're not REALLY scandals.

Blaming election season...and why not, you've already blamed everyone else...well, except for the corrupt and perverted Republican majority. Yes!, it's an election year PLOY! Nevermind that Republican "ethical challenges" have been ongoing and systematic for years...and nevermind that the folks "in charge" have had ample opportunity (like years' worth) to get their collective act together.
Of course no democrats have ever been corrupt or liars. Even if they were, we wouldn't hear about it as much as we do when it's the other side. Why is Foley still being mentioned in the news THREE WEEKS after he quit?!?!?!

You don't think it's a coincidence that all these "scandals" are coming up around election season? Really? Honestly? Seriously? Don't be so naive...
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Originally Posted by bcbaum
Thanks a bunch. Now I feel dumb for even trying to get bhk to acknowledge simple accounting facts. There is no vast right wing conspiracy, just some dumb reporter trying to break a story when there wasn't one.
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Originally Posted by Mordred
Thanks a bunch. Now I feel dumb for even trying to get bhk to acknowledge simple accounting facts. There is no vast right wing conspiracy, just some dumb reporter trying to break a story when there wasn't one.
Yeah, I wasted my time as well...
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Amending filings for "doing nothing wrong"? OK. Oh and he added two more deals to the amended filings.
Perhaps Wesley Snipes can amend his filings and stay out of jail.
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Democrat member of page board has announced other allegations (not about Foley) are being investigated.

No word on if they are Dems or Reps. Anyone want to take a wild guess?

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No word on if they are Dems or Reps. Anyone want to take a wild guess?
Kolbe is already being investigated. I suspect the unknown one(s) would be dems otherwise this guy would have spilled his or her name already.
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he knows better than to spill the name during a press conference.
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Originally Posted by bhk
Kolbe is already being investigated. I suspect the unknown one(s) would be dems otherwise this guy would have spilled his or her name already.
He didn't have to call this press conference. The news article said it was "unexpected" and hinted it was because he was pissed that he was kept in the dark in the original Foley investigation back in 2005.
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Other congressman doing the same thing?

http://sunlightlabs.com/research/familybusiness/
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well, since the midterm election thread has been locked but there are still outstanding races I will put my response here. I would like to add that the people of NOLA just reelected William Jefferson (D-LA) to another term. The man is probably going to be indicted soon but the people there have reelected him to another term. Terrible. I am glad that the Democratic Party in LA stripped him of their endorsement and hopefully, the Democrats in Congress strip him of his senority/committee assignments, etc. If Ms. Carter had been elected, she probably could serve for life. Some of the other politicans that endorsed Mr. Jefferson probably thought they could run if and when he is indicted.

The other race is the Bonilla/Rodriguez run off in TX-23 on Dec 12. The race has tightened as the DCCC has gone in with money and ads. Bonilla has come out swinging with some very negative ads. I still think that Bonilla will win because of the expected low turnout but this newly reconfigured district is heavily Hispanic and may eventually elect a Democrat once Bonilla leaves.
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If he's indicted and doesn't resign - the House can always expel him.

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