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Old 03-14-07, 11:11 AM
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In all fairness, aren't you the one who advises our 3rd party friends to work within the 2 party system? (Change the system from within) That's exactly what Ron Paul is doing.

Yeah, but today is Wednesday.
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Old 03-14-07, 11:44 AM
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Why didn't Ron Paul 'work' with the Republicans before the Republicans came into the majority?

He was elected as a Republican; but, refused to have 'Republican' by his name on the tote (vote) board. He was shown as an 'I' on the board. However, when the Republicans gained the majority he 'miraculously' became a full-fledged Republican. The tote board showed 'Ron Paul - Republican.'

At least Barney Sanders (a socialist) kept the 'I' by his name throughout his tenure in the House. He is shown as an 'I' now that he's in the Senate.
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Old 03-15-07, 08:42 AM
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Speaking of Giuliani - what's this cozy relationship he has with Hugo Chavez that I've been hearing about?
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Old 03-15-07, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by classicman2
Speaking of Giuliani - what's this cozy relationship he has with Hugo Chavez that I've been hearing about?
It is bullshit. Thanks for asking.

His firm (not him) does some lobbying for Citgo which is owned by Venezuela's state run petroleum company.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ies_to_chavez/

"Mayor Giuliani believes Hugo Chavez is not a friend of the United States and his influence continues to grow because of our increasing reliance on foreign sources of oil," the statement said. "As the mayor has consistently stated -- the development of alternative fuels is a priority that demands a solution in order to ensure the United States energy independence."

The Citgo lobbying contract represents the first time that a client of one of Giuliani's private businesses has become an issue for his campaign. The campaign had previously acknowledged that his clients might be used against him .
Doesn't seem that cozy to me
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Cozy enough.
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Old 03-15-07, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CRM114
Cozy enough.
And shockingly you are an outspoken partisan for the party in opposition to his.

I don't like him, and I'm a Democrat. But this seems like a big deal about notsomuch.
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Old 03-15-07, 06:20 PM
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And shockingly you are an outspoken partisan for the party in opposition to his.

I don't like him, and I'm a Democrat. But this seems like a big deal about notsomuch.
I don't think its a big deal either but when you want to run with the big boys, you better divest yourself of ANY dealings that would prove to be questionable. Hell, Rudy should know that. I guess the money is TOO good though.
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Old 03-15-07, 06:45 PM
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talking points for the week are anything with subprime in it

a month ago no one knew what it was and now all the candidates are suddenly feeling people's pain
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Old 03-15-07, 10:36 PM
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"How the candidates are using the web, and how the web is using them": http://techpresident.com/
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Old 03-16-07, 10:11 AM
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More thoughts on Giuliani, Citgo and Chavez.

Seems last year, conservatives roasted Joseph Kennedy for uisng Citgo for a nonprofit program he arranged for discounted heating oil.

Originally Posted by Tom Delay's Blog
Consequently, one would think that any truly concerned and conscientious American would avoid associating themselves with such an unsavory lot – unless you’re former Massachusetts Democrat Congressman Joe Kennedy.
http://www.tomdelay.com/home/2007/3/...nnedy-too.html
Connie Mack to Joseph Kennedy:

Originally Posted by Connie Mack
Since you believe that standing side by side with thugs like Chavez is a sound business practice, perhaps you'll be willing to explain to the American people the nature of the relationship between Hugo Chavez and Citizens Energy Corporation
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Why won't you apologize to the American people for putting your self-interest above all else?
I assume Mr. Mack and Mr Delay will not be endorsing Rudolph Giuliani?
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Old 03-16-07, 10:53 AM
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I'm not calling you, or Dems out on this issue. I have never claimed a moral highground for any party. We're all just people. It just is a small issue to me. They did a little business with a part of the company Giuliani is no part of.
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Old 03-16-07, 10:57 AM
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BTW, Giuliani's firm (bearing his name) was paid $5000 a month by Citgo for their services.
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Old 03-16-07, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CRM114
BTW, Giuliani's firm (bearing his name) was paid $5000 a month by Citgo for their services.
That's it? That's peanuts for a lobbying firm. I could understand if this was a million-dollar engagement, but for $60k a year, you'd think that Giuliani would have told Citgo "I might want to run for President some day -- find yourself another lobbyist!"
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I was going to say the same - at a firm like Guiliani's, $5 grand probably gets you about 7 hours of work.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
BTW, Giuliani's firm (bearing his name) was paid $5000 a month by Citgo for their services.
Do you think this is a big or a small number?
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I think its a small number and one that Rudolph would easily shrug off given his politcal aspirations. The problem is he might be trying to "cultivate" that business.
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Giuliani looks too 'hoodish' for me to ever vote for.

He should appearing on The Sopranos, not running for president.
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Giuliani looks too 'hoodish' for me to ever vote for.

He should appearing on The Sopranos, not running for president.
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Old 03-17-07, 10:50 AM
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Choo-choo!! All aboard the Straight Talk Express!!

Q: “What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”

Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”

Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”

Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”

Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”

Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.”
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Apparently, McCain is now feuding with the Club for Growth -- never a good idea for someone seeking the GOP nomination.

Here's McCain:

In the case of Club For Growth, I’ve got to be honest with you. Ronald Reagan taught me the 11th Commandment, and that is you don’t speak ill of other Republicans. The reason why we don’t have a majority in the Senate today was the attacks that Club For Growth made on Lincoln Chafee, the Senator from Rhode Island, a liberal Republican Senator, but would have voted for Mitch McConnell to be the Majority leader of the Senate. They have continuously attacked Republicans that they don’t agree with. I believe in the big tent party. I believe there’s room for someone from Rhode Island that may not agree with everything that I agree with. But I still want him in the Republican Party. That’s not the case with the Club For Growth. So I’m not sure what the Club For Growth and I have really in common.
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/b...gop_the_senate

Here's the Club's response:

On McCain's claim he has little in common with the Club: "I would ask McCain, he said he doesn't have anything in common with us. He doesn't believe in low taxes? He doesn't believe in limited government? He doesn't believe in free trade?"

On the fact that McCain has missed so many conservative summits of late (he also skipped both CPAC and the National Review conference): "He keeps claiming he has scheduling conflicts, but people are growing suspicious that there's more to the story."

On McCain's charge about Chafee: "We pretty much think Linc Chafee was a goner anyway."

And her own suspicions on why McCain is skipping the Club's upcoming event: "I think he was afraid of getting booed. I’ve seen some political pundits say that, that it was smart for McCain not to show up, because he risked getting booed."
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/b..._getting_booed
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I agree with Senator McCain with respect to his dispute with the Club For Growth. Neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party can afford to be anything but a 'big tent' party (mass party is the correct term, BTW) and hope to be effective in a party system like we have in the U.S. As far as Senator Chafee, he was in no way a 'goner' had he received any decent level of support from the party leadership.
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I agree with Senator McCain with respect to his dispute with the Club For Growth. Neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party can afford to be anything but a 'big tent' party (mass party is the correct term, BTW) and hope to be effective in a party system like we have in the U.S. As far as Senator Chafee, he was in no way a 'goner' had he received any decent level of support from the party leadership.
I agree with Senator McCain on this point, too, but I'm not seeking the Republican nomination for the presidency, so I can afford to say things like that.
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Apparently, John Edwards is too pretty to be President.

Which is really sucky news for gorgeous people like me, JasonF, and bhk.



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Via drudge, SFgate has a story on this unauthorized anti-Clinton promo.

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I guess I don't see how revolutionary this is. It combines the old polical/viral method of hijacking a popular, established entity with the tried and true leftist strategy of calling your opponent a fascist.
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Via drudge, SFgate has a story on this unauthorized anti-Clinton promo.

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I guess I don't see how revolutionary this is. It combines the old polical/viral method of hijacking a popular, established entity with the tried and true leftist strategy of calling your opponent a fascist.

What is revolutionary about this ad is that the candidates will not have any control over pro and con campaign ads in the 2008 election. It also shows that anyone can make a powerful political ad.

Political ads will no longer be top-down candidate messages.
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