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Old 04-24-06, 09:11 PM
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Return of America First?

I have to agree with Buchanan on this for the most part. The most important being that there really are no potential presidential candidates who represent the majority of American people. We certainly didn't have it in the last election with John Kerry; his policies on Iraq and on trade were nearly identical to Bush's (at least Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich had some ideas that set them apart from Bush). I don't think the public wants what the Democrats have to offer and they certainly are getting fed up with neoconservatives. Now would be a great time for a third party (maybe the America First party, haha), but it's doubtful anyone will step up to the plate.


'Return of America First?' by Pat Buchanan

Friday's lead story in America's largest newspaper must have made for sober reading at AEI and the Council on Foreign Relations, the twin dorms that house the Wilsonian wings of our national parties.

Americans, it appears, have had a bellyful of interventionism and globaloney. Reporters Susan Page and David Jackson merit quoting at length:


In a USA Today-Gallup Poll, nearly half of those surveyed said the United States 'should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along as best they can on their own.' ...

The leave-us-alone mood is apparent not only in the proportion of Americans, 64 percent, who want all or some of the U.S. troops in Iraq to come home now. It's also reflected in concern about illegal immigration – eight of 10 said it was "out of control" – and in the furious public reaction to reports last month that a Dubai-owned firm was poised to take over cargo operations at ports in six states.

Attitudes have soured toward trade, as well. Two-thirds said increased trade with other countries mostly hurts U.S. workers. By 50 percent-39 percent, respondents also said it mostly hurts American companies.


What do the polls mean? Bush and the Wall Street Journal may say America is trudging backward to the dark days of "isolationism and protectionism," of "Fordney-McCumber and Smoot-Hawley that gave us the Hoovervilles, Hitler and World War II."

But the truth is less dramatic.

What the polls are saying is that America, having tasted the fruits of Bush's foreign, immigration and trade policies, rejects them. Why? All three, of dubious conservative parentage, have failed.


Three in five Americans now believe the Iraq war – whether we invaded to oust Saddam, strip him of WMD, turn Iraq into Vermont or establish our "benevolent global hegemony" – was and is not worth the cost in blood and money.

They are saying that a NAFTA-GATT trade policy that results in $800 billion trade deficits and the loss of 3 million manufacturing jobs – one in every six in just five years – should be jettisoned.

When they read of China growing at 10 percent a year, as factories close in the United States and GM and Ford, once the two greatest companies on earth, are lingering outside bankruptcy court, they think we can do better. And, we can.

They are not saying they dislike foreigners. But they are saying a government that cannot stop an invasion across our Mexican border that has left 11 million to 20 million intruders in our country, stomping around under foreign flags and demanding the benefits of U.S. citizens, is a failed regime that needs to be replaced. After all, what does it profit us if we save Anbar province but lose Arizona?

What the polls are saying is that neoconservatism has failed and we wish to be rid of it, that Davos Republicanism has failed and we wish to be rid of it, that the open-borders immigration policy of the Wall Street Journal is idiotic and we wish to be rid of it.

This is not only understandable, there would be something wrong with Americans if they did not seek to regurgitate the fruit of such failed policies. Yet, when one looks at the large Republican field of presidential hopefuls shaping up, not one has broken with, and all seem to stand behind, George W. Bush. None so more than John McCain.

And what do the Democrats offers? Taxes, censure, amnesty, Cynthia McKinney and a four-year rerun of "The Clintons."

In 1964, Barry Goldwater and his 110-proof conservatism were repudiated in the largest landslide since FDR's stomping of Alf Landon, who carried only Maine and Vermont.

But by 1968, Great Society liberalism had been tried and had transparently failed. The no-win war in Vietnam and the urban riots bespoke a failed philosophy and policy. Today in 2006, it is neoconservatism and Wall Street Journal Republicanism that have failed as badly as had Great Society liberalism by 1968.

Where Bush has remained faithful to a Reaganite philosophy, on taxes and judges, the country has remained with him. But where he listened to the globalists and the Vulcans, who altered the liturgy and diluted the dogma, he lost the country.

Fred Barnes has written darkly of a "paleo moment" in America.

But paleoconservatism is simply the faith of our fathers before we built that shelter for the neocon homeless booted out of their own house by the McGovernites, who appear, in retrospect, to have been more savvy than we thought.

What does the old-time conservatism stand for? Limited government. Balanced budgets. A defense second to none. Secure borders. A trade policy that puts America and Americans first. And a foreign policy that keeps us out of wars that are not America's wars.

Unfortunately, when the USA Today-Gallup poll shows Americans are looking for precisely such authentic conservatism, neither party is offering it. The children were right. The system doesn't work.
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Old 04-24-06, 09:22 PM
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I can't believe I agree with Pat Buchanan for once.
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Old 04-24-06, 10:18 PM
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I always read through the other parties platforms when the voter's pamphlets come out. Invariably you will find some that you start to think, "Yeah, this guy is really good. I wonder why he is running on the Rumplestiltskin Ticket" and then you get to the part where they want to return to the gold standard or some other silly stuff.

Most people don't like to admit it, but the Dems and Repubs are much more similar to each other than they are different, when compared to other parties. They both tend to stick mainly to mainstream. When they don't (like illegal immigration) the alternatives have too many wacky ideas that are out of the mainstream on fundamental issues.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Most people don't like to admit it, but the Dems and Repubs are much more similar to each other than they are different, when compared to other parties. They both tend to stick mainly to mainstream. When they don't (like illegal immigration) the alternatives have too many wacky ideas that are out of the mainstream on fundamental issues.
That's why the more enlightened call them the Republicrats.
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I like this article on the subject, but I do believe the discontent of Americans today will lead to a rise in a third party. I hope it's the Libertarians, but
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17130

Libertarian ideas, such as expanding individual liberty, re-limiting government, and protecting private property rights, have become much more respectable during the past two decades. Less progress, however, appears to be taking place in politics. Nevertheless, I predict the President of the United States elected in 2016 will be the candidate of the Libertarian Party.
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Old 04-25-06, 07:26 AM
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For over a hundred years, people have been saying that the public's discontent over the two major political parties in this country will lead to a signficant rise in a third party. Maybe we can see a resurgence of The Bull Moose Party. It ain't gonna happen.

Even if hell froze over, and it did happen, it damn sure wouldn't be the Libertarian Party.
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I dearly wish that Mr. Buchanan and his acolytes would read a book on trade theory. Then they might understand that trade is beneficial to us, and that one can't return to a time when the US economy was based on manufacturing jobs, any more than the British can force a return to the times when their navy ruled the seas and the Bank of England was the global guarantor of finance.
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to classicman and wendersfan. They are right on the money.

In a USA Today-Gallup Poll, nearly half of those surveyed said the United States 'should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along as best they can on their own.' ...
Even with a question that's practically a push poll, you can only get 50% support for isolationism. Now imagine if you phrased the question neutrally.
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Two-thirds said increased trade with other countries mostly hurts U.S. workers.
just because people think it doesnt make it true. maybe we need to give the whole country a lesson in economics
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Originally Posted by JasonF
to classicman and wendersfan. They are right on the money.



Even with a question that's practically a push poll, you can only get 50% support for isolationism. Now imagine if you phrased the question neutrally.

And on top of that, almost each recent chance voters have had to elect, either in primaries or general elections, an isolationist leaning candidate, they have chosen not to. Protectionism and isolationism simply don't work anymore. People are aware of that.
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But where he listened to the globalists and the Vulcans
I say damn those pointy-eared bastards. We should build a warp 5 starship!
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Originally Posted by TracerBullet
I say damn those pointy-eared bastards. We should build a warp 5 starship!


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It's quite a good book, actually. "Fair and balanced", as they say.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
I dearly wish that Mr. Buchanan and his acolytes would read a book on trade theory. Then they might understand that trade is beneficial to us, and that one can't return to a time when the US economy was based on manufacturing jobs, any more than the British can force a return to the times when their navy ruled the seas and the Bank of England was the global guarantor of finance.
That's funny that you said trade THEORY. It's too bad that reality and theory are so very different.
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Originally Posted by Xytraguptorh
That's funny that you said trade THEORY. It's too bad that reality and theory are so very different.
In this case, "theory" is just another word for "reality".
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Originally Posted by Xytraguptorh
That's funny that you said trade THEORY. It's too bad that reality and theory are so very different.
I agree.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
I agree.
Yes, but you don't believe in "economics".
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I believe in economics - I just don't believe in 'laws of economics.' That's why it's called a social science.
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Despite his numerous faults, I would have voted for Pat had he run in '04.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
Despite his numerous faults, I would have voted for Pat had he run in '04.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
Despite his numerous faults, I would have voted for Pat had he run in '04.
He seems to make more sense to me now than he ever did in the past.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
I wonder that myself.

How could a globalist, total free trader, libertarian such as Red Dog even think about voting for Buchanan?
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Originally Posted by classicman2
I wonder that myself.

How could a globalist, total free trader, libertarian such as Red Dog even think about voting for Buchanan?

I've explained why numerous times on this forum, so no need to wonder. My phrase "despite his numerous faults" must have really really confused you.
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I've explained why numerous times on this forum, so no need to wonder. My phrase "despite his numerous faults" must have really really confused you.
Due to your inconsistencies - I'm often confused by your posts.
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