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Old 04-10-06, 07:24 PM
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Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi

Another administration boogie-man shown to be a paper tiger.

From the Washington Post:

The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The documents state that the U.S. campaign aims to turn Iraqis against Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, by playing on their perceived dislike of foreigners. U.S. authorities claim some success with that effort, noting that some tribal Iraqi insurgents have attacked Zarqawi loyalists.

For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi's role in the insurgency. The documents explicitly list the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.

Some senior intelligence officers believe Zarqawi's role may have been overemphasized by the propaganda campaign, which has included leaflets, radio and television broadcasts, Internet postings and at least one leak to an American journalist. Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, they remain "a very small part of the actual numbers," Col. Derek Harvey, who served as a military intelligence officer in Iraq and then was one of the top officers handling Iraq intelligence issues on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told an Army meeting at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., last summer.

In a transcript of the meeting, Harvey said, "Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways."

"The long-term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but these former regime types and their friends," said Harvey, who did not return phone calls seeking comment on his remarks.

There has been a running argument among specialists in Iraq about how much significance to assign to Zarqawi, who spent seven years in prison in Jordan for attempting to overthrow the government there. After his release he spent time in Pakistan and Afghanistan before moving his base of operations to Iraq. He has been sentenced to death in absentia for planning the 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Jordan. U.S. authorities have said he is responsible for dozens of deaths in Iraq and have placed a $25 million bounty on his head.

Recently there have been unconfirmed reports of a possible rift between Zarqawi and the parent al-Qaeda organization that may have resulted in his being demoted or cut loose. Last week, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said that it was unclear what was happening between Zarqawi and al-Qaeda. "It may be that he's not being fired at all, but that he is being focused on the military side of the al-Qaeda effort and he's being asked to leave more of a political side possibly to others, because of some disagreements within al-Qaeda," he said.

The military's propaganda program largely has been aimed at Iraqis, but seems to have spilled over into the U.S. media. One briefing slide about U.S. "strategic communications" in Iraq, prepared for Army Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the top U.S. commander in Iraq, describes the "home audience" as one of six major targets of the American side of the war.

That slide, created by Casey's subordinates, does not specifically state that U.S. citizens were being targeted by the effort, but other sections of the briefings indicate that there were direct military efforts to use the U.S. media to affect views of the war. One slide in the same briefing, for example, noted that a "selective leak" about Zarqawi was made to Dexter Filkins, a New York Times reporter based in Baghdad. Filkins's resulting article, about a letter supposedly written by Zarqawi and boasting of suicide attacks in Iraq, ran on the Times front page on Feb. 9, 2004.
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I suppose if you don't have a convenient villian, you make one up. Interesting that they complain that the media doesn't report any "good news" from Iraq, while providing the media with ready-made scare tactics.
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Old 04-10-06, 09:30 PM
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The man is a terrorist - so what if they play him up into a villain? Who gives a shit if they pump up his bad-guy status? He's still a terrorist.
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It should be apparent that our government will play up the role of any of its enemies.


I think my issue is that, like the whole war, this propaganda tactic is a waste of money. I think the Iraqis already have their minds made up about the sides of the conflict and the military telling newspapers what to write isn't going to help.
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Originally Posted by Chaos
The man is a terrorist - so what if they play him up into a villain? Who gives a shit if they pump up his bad-guy status? He's still a terrorist.
So there's no difference between a run-of-the-mill terrorist and a terrorist mastermind?
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"The long-term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but these former regime types and their friends," said Harvey, who did not return phone calls seeking comment on his remarks.
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Originally Posted by Chaos
The man is a terrorist - so what if they play him up into a villain? Who gives a shit if they pump up his bad-guy status? He's still a terrorist.
Wow. I didn't know how desperate your side was about the situation until now. That's pretty sad. But I do thank-you for your post because this is the exact kind of mentality we have leading our government. They don't care about logic. All they care about is force-feeding the message to the American Public, at whatever cost.
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Old 04-11-06, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Wow. I didn't know how desperate your side was about the situation until now. That's pretty sad. But I do thank-you for your post because this is the exact kind of mentality we have leading our government. They don't care about logic. All they care about is force-feeding the message to the American Public, at whatever cost.

And your side will attempt to make sure NO good news ever comes from Iraq. Since "war" is such a barbaric practice you can't (for once) let the public see BOTH sides of it, and dare show them any of the people who WANT the U.S. there, any of the improvements we've made, any of the freedoms Iraqi's now have because of the U.S.


Pleeeassseee... your side INVENTED force feeding. The basic practice is force feed the public with negativity anytime Bush's name is brought up. Just condition them to hate him because he is Republican. And god forbid you ever let on that SOME GOOD is coming from the situtation.


Again... this one sided practice in concert with offering NO real alternatives to what Bush is doing, ensures the White House stays in Republican control in 2008


I love this political system!

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Again... this one sided practice in concert with offering NO real alternatives to what Bush is doing,
That's inaccurate, they do have an alternative: It's called running away (oh wait they use the term "immediate redeployment".

One dem Senator(Lieberman) who is still supportive of the mission in Iraq is going to have a primary fight because of his position.
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Originally Posted by Chaos
The man is a terrorist - so what if they play him up into a villain? Who gives a shit if they pump up his bad-guy status? He's still a terrorist.
He's not the one I would be afraid of, it's the guy with a bomb strapped to his back.
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Originally Posted by bhk
That's inaccurate, they do have an alternative: It's called running away (oh wait they use the term "immediate redeployment".

One dem Senator(Lieberman) who is still supportive of the mission in Iraq is going to have a primary fight because of his position.
And it's a shame their side won't tolerate anyone who thinks like the other side. Leiberman is a good man, and an honest one from what I have seen of him since 2000.
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Old 04-11-06, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sominex
And your side will attempt to make sure NO good news ever comes from Iraq. Since "war" is such a barbaric practice you can't (for once) let the public see BOTH sides of it, and dare show them any of the people who WANT the U.S. there, any of the improvements we've made, any of the freedoms Iraqi's now have because of the U.S.


Pleeeassseee... your side INVENTED force feeding. The basic practice is force feed the public with negativity anytime Bush's name is brought up. Just condition them to hate him because he is Republican. And god forbid you ever let on that SOME GOOD is coming from the situtation.


Again... this one sided practice in concert with offering NO real alternatives to what Bush is doing, ensures the White House stays in Republican control in 2008


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I'm not a Democrat.

NO real alternatives? Just because there are no alternatives does not mean your current ways are ordained. But Bush seems to think so.

And there is almost no good coming from Iraq now. You can have your little stories of Army Men fixing water wheels or handing out Hershey Bars to poor Iraqi children (), or a US Troop writing home to his mother about how he is depressed about us US folk who are UNPATRIOTIC (), but the overwhelming result is Iraq is a loss. And it's people like you who don't have an idea of how many US lives it will take before we should walk away and let the primitives settle their own civil disputes.
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Originally Posted by Sominex
And your side will attempt to make sure NO good news ever comes from Iraq. Since "war" is such a barbaric practice you can't (for once) let the public see BOTH sides of it, and dare show them any of the people who WANT the U.S. there, any of the improvements we've made, any of the freedoms Iraqi's now have because of the U.S.


Pleeeassseee... your side INVENTED force feeding. The basic practice is force feed the public with negativity anytime Bush's name is brought up. Just condition them to hate him because he is Republican. And god forbid you ever let on that SOME GOOD is coming from the situtation.


Again... this one sided practice in concert with offering NO real alternatives to what Bush is doing, ensures the White House stays in Republican control in 2008


I love this political system!
All this one-track defensiveness and blame on the "mainstream" media or the other side! pretty much reminds me of what a black comedian said in an interview. He was talking about his mother who was from the South and very religious and how she'd always blame something on the devil.

BC: Mom, they just increased the electricity bill.
Mom: Oh baby, that's the devil.

BC: Mom, I think it's going to rain today.
Mom: Oh, then you know that's the devil.

BC: Mom, there's supposed to be a lot of traffic today.
Mom: That's the devil again.

etc, etc, etc.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I'm not a Democrat.

NO real alternatives? Just because there are no alternatives does not mean your current ways are ordained. But Bush seems to think so.

Well... first off my friend, they aren't "MY" views. Second off, they are the ones that are WORKING right now. I am ALL for changing our tactics and strategy there, but before we do that, don't you think it would make a little sense to actually HAVE another strategy first? I mean if the lead democrats want to condemn the way things are going maybe they should come up with an alternative first. Saying "Bush is an idiot war monger... and he's dumb" is not a valid alternative.

Or maybe the lead democrats should not have voted for the war in the first place?


Perhaps they will have a second chance to vote DIFFERENTLY this time around.



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And there is almost no good coming from Iraq now. You can have your little stories of Army Men fixing water wheels or handing out Hershey Bars to poor Iraqi children (), or a US Troop writing home to his mother about how he is depressed about us US folk who are UNPATRIOTIC (), but the overwhelming result is Iraq is a loss. And it's people like you who don't have an idea of how many US lives it will take before we should walk away and let the primitives settle their own civil disputes.

Really? I don't remember calling you a Democrat. But you played the whole "your side" card... so figured I'd go down to your level.

Well, since you choose to ignore all the good things and only harp on the bad things (like your side mostly does)... I suggest you go to your local Air Guard. Ask to see some of the engineers who have returned from Iraq in the past few months.

Tell them your "views" of the war and how you think all they do is "fix water wheels".

Let us all know the reaction when you are done, k?


And you wonder why people call YOUR SIDE the side that doesn't support the military.


In response to your last statement... I do know how many lives it TOOK to open people's eyes up like you. About 3000 on 9/11

If you need to be constantly reminde of that day, go visit some of the families who lost people that day.

It's pre-9/11 thinking that will get us attacked again. But you would love that so it furthers your myth of Bush being "weak and incompetent"


Now... before anyone starts crying "Why does your side always bring up 9/11... stop using it as an excuse". Well I would say stop forgetting about it and neglecting to remember how our world changed. Give the whining a rest everyone.... If you can't see the danger posed by Iran, then go move there and give us a report about a month after they try and stone you for being an infidel.


Originally Posted by Ranger
All this one-track defensiveness and blame on the "mainstream" media or the other side! pretty much reminds me of what a black comedian said in an interview. He was talking about his mother who was from the South and very religious and how she'd always blame something on the devil.

BC: Mom, they just increased the electricity bill.
Mom: Oh baby, that's the devil.

BC: Mom, I think it's going to rain today.
Mom: Oh, then you know that's the devil.

BC: Mom, there's supposed to be a lot of traffic today.
Mom: That's the devil again.

etc, etc, etc.
Wow... I wasn't aware that when someone made accusations and I defended against them that was "one-track"!

Cool man!

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That's inaccurate, they do have an alternative: It's called running away (oh wait they use the term "immediate redeployment".

One dem Senator(Lieberman) who is still supportive of the mission in Iraq is going to have a primary fight because of his position.
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I have no problem with them pumping up Zarqawi, but they should have fucking caught him by now.
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I have no problem with them pumping up Zarqawi, but they should have fucking caught him by now.
Didn't they already catch him once?
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Didn't they already catch him once?

They are pretty sure they DID have him once already, yes



Apparently it was before he was "big news", and no one recognized him. *sigh*
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Kerry's plan translation: "If you don't form a govt. by May, we'll run away." He says we win(no specific plan for how to win).
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Kerry's plan translation: "If you don't form a govt. by May, we'll run away." He says we win(no specific plan for how to win).
We've done our part - we've won the military war. We've deposed Saddam.

What do you propose for us to do now? Just stay the course? How about your plan that will bring democracy & good times to Iraq? The forum awaits your answer with bated breath. BTW: I imagine the Bush administration would like to hear what your solution is also.
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Iraq? Hell, Cman you're still on the subject of Iraq? That's old news. We need to stop the IRANIAN threat these days!
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What do you propose for us to do now? Just stay the course? How about your plan that will bring democracy & good times to Iraq? The forum awaits your answer with bated breath.
Let's see: have more Iraqi's take over the security(already being done), reconvene the Iraqi parliament(already scheduled for next week).
I do wish we were a little less PC and worried about what the media is going to say in carrying out the killing of the terrorists over there.
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