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Old 03-27-06, 12:27 PM
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Breaking News: Moussaoui Says He Was To Fly Plame Into White House

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/8292725/deta...12220203272006

POSTED: 9:17 am PST March 27, 2006
UPDATED: 10:14 am PST March 27, 2006

After first denying any direct role, Zacarias Moussaoui now said he had a big mission on Sept. 11, 2001.


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This artist rendering shows Zacarias Moussaoui listening to arguments by assistant U.S. attorney Rob Spencer, during sentencing proceedings in Alexandria, Va.


Moussaoui has stunned a Virginia courtroom by saying he and would-be shoe-bomber Richard Reid were to hijack a fifth airplane and fly it into the White House.

Against his lawyers' advice, the al-Qaida sympathizer has taken the stand in federal court, giving testimony that seemed to directly contradict his earlier statements.

Moussaoui also said he knew the World Trade Center towers were going to be hit. And he admits lying after a 2001 arrest because he says he didn't want to tip off investigators to the upcoming attacks.

Moussaoui earlier told authorities the White House attack was to be carried out only if the U.S. refused to release a radical Egyptian sheik who'd been imprisoned on terrorism charges.

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

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eh...how reliable is he?


He told the court he knew the attacks were coming some time after August 2001 and bought a radio so he could hear them unfold.

Specifically, he said he knew the World Trade Center was going to be attacked, but asserted he was not part of the plot and didn't know the details.


so he didn't know the date? but he was goign to crash into the white house ont he same date?
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http://nytimes.com/aponline/national...rtner=homepage

'Before he took the stand, his lawyers made a last attempt to stop him from testifying, but failed. Defense attorney Gerald Zerkin argued that his client would not be a competent witness because he has contempt for the court, only recognizes Islamic law and therefore ''the affirmation he undertakes would be meaningless.''''


Lawyer: "Your honor, my client should be given a more lenient sentence because he is a liar and cannot be trusted."

Compare the cost of this farce with the cost of a single bullet.
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I still think we should just let Moussaoui go...
Into a park filled with families of 9/11 victims.
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For those that STILL don't get it: They want to kill us and take over the world, no amount of neurotic hand wringing and blaming our selves for the attacks will matter.
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Well, you need to tell Bush that. He apparently doesn't get it.
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Being the conspiracy theorist you are, I assume you believe the White House knew all along about 9/11. And just maybe they were behind it.
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Unfortunately, the current White House is such an idiot haven for the old and senile, I can't really validate or justify any conspiracies.

And no, there's no way in hell the US was behind 9/11. For starters, it would require intelligence. It's fairly obvious we don't have that.
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The people that believe that the U.S. was somehow behind 9/11 sure as hell cannot recognize the pure evil that it was.

This was plain and simple a plan that was carried out by people following a religion that teaches that it is better to die to get what you want, than to serve and help others.

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how can you believe anything they(those in custody) say? I mean at this point they've got nothing to lose in terms of pumping up their roles and making it look like they were big shots. It's like Prison inmates who brag about crimes outside they never commited just to look tough.
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I thought Moussaoui was supposed to be the 5th hijacker on whichever plane it was that only had 4 hijackers? And Richard Ried -- was he even in the U.S. on 9/11? This whole White House thing is pure bullshit.
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At this point I think Moussaoui will say anything to appear as the biggest monster possible so that he will get the death penalty and die a martyr. He knows he's never getting out of prison, so what a great way to go for him. I say let him spew his garbage, and then let him rot in prison until he dies.
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Originally Posted by bhk
Compare the cost of this farce with the cost of a single bullet.
Wouldn't need a bullet. Put him in Graterford for a week without protection.
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At this point I think Moussaoui will say anything to appear as the biggest monster possible so that he will get the death penalty and die a martyr. He knows he's never getting out of prison, so what a great way to go for him. I say let him spew his garbage, and then let him rot in prison until he dies.
Thats exactly what he's doing.

Unlike bhk, I'm not afraid of some ragtag attempt by a small minority of Muslims to "overthrow" the west. I take them as seriously as I took Saddam Hussein bragging about "the mother of all battles."
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I'm not afraid of some ragtag attempt by a small minority of Muslims to "overthrow" the west.
As has been shown over and over again in polls and elections within Moslems living in the west(mainly the EU) 30-40% support fundamentalist Moslem candidates.
And, with the wide disparity between the native population in the EU and the Moslem immigrants, it isn't going to be a "small minority". Look for something along these lines to happen in Holland or France within the next 2 decades. IMO, when the Islamic population reaches 30% in those countries, there will be fireworks.
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Well, 95% support American Fundamentalists who want the Middle East to just disappear.

Currently, we have a more pending problem: Mexican Illegal immigration. The last few days of protests should demonstrate the common thought among a large population of Hispanics who want the US to become just like Mexico--only with the perks like insurance and social welfare.

And Moussaoui is certainly telling tall tales. I hope he gets LIFE, not death.
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Great - another boogieman thread.
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As has been shown over and over again in polls and elections within Moslems living in the west(mainly the EU) 30-40% support fundamentalist Moslem candidates.
And, with the wide disparity between the native population in the EU and the Moslem immigrants, it isn't going to be a "small minority". Look for something along these lines to happen in Holland or France within the next 2 decades. IMO, when the Islamic population reaches 30% in those countries, there will be fireworks.
So Holland falls, the US follows? I'd imagine the Muslim "revolution" would find a bit of resistance in Pennsylvania.
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i think the flight that crashed in pennsylvania was meant for the capitol.

i think the flight that crashed into the pentagon was meant for the white house.

i base this on nothing but personal feelings. the whitehouse is a very small target and based on eyewitness accounts of the flight path, it seems like they might have decided they wouldn't be able to hit the whitehouse (a tiny building) and went for the pentagon (a very large building) instead.
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http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938
Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Tue, 2006-03-28 21:49
This is an article by Fjordman.

Last year I wrote an article about how Swedish society is disintegrating and is in danger of collapsing, at least in certain areas and regions. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe. The “Swedish model” would no longer refer to a stable and peaceful state with an advanced economy, but to a Eurabian horror story of utopian multiculturalism, socialist mismanagement and runaway immigration. Some thought I was exaggerating, and that talk of the possibility of a future civil war in Sweden was pure paranoia. Was it?

In a new sociological survey (pdf in Swedish, with brief English introduction) entitled “Vi krigar mot svenskarna” (“We’re waging a war against the Swedes”), young immigrants in the troubled city of Malmö have been interviewed about why they are involved in crime. Although it is not stated, most of the immigrant perpetrators are Muslims. In one of the rare instances where the Swedish media actually revealed the truth, the newspaper Aftonbladet reported several years ago that 9 out of 10 of the most criminal ethnic groups in Sweden came from Muslim countries. This must be borne in mind whilst reading the following newspaper article:

Immigrants are “waging war” against Swedes through robbery

The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed during this past year is part of a “war against the Swedes.” This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant backgrounds when questioned about why they only rob native Swedes, in interviews with Petra Åkesson for her thesis in sociology. “I read a report about young robbers in Stockholm and Malmö and wanted to know why they rob other youths. It usually does not involve a lot of money,” she says. She interviewed boys between 15 and 17 years old, both individually and in groups.

Almost 90% of all robberies reported to the police were committed by gangs, not individuals. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.” This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you’re robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you’ve succeeded, it simply feels good.” “It’s so easy to rob Swedes, so easy.” “We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to.” The immigrant youth regard the Swedes as stupid and cowardly: “The Swedes don’t do anything, they just give us the stuff. They’re so wimpy.” The young robbers do not plan their crimes: “No, we just see some Swedes that look rich or have nice mobile phones and then we rob them.”

Why do they hate the Swedes so much? “Well, they hate us,” Petra Åkesson reports them as answering. “When a Swede goes shopping, the lady behind the counter gives him the money back into his hand, looks into his eyes and laughs. When we go shopping, she puts the money on the counter and looks the other way.” Åkesson, who is adopted from Sri Lanka and hence does not look like a native Swede, says it was not difficult to get the boys to talk about their crimes. Rather they were bragging about who had committed the most robberies. Malin Åkerström,a professor in sociology, sees only one solution to the problem: “Jobs for everybody. If this entails a deregulation of the labor market to create more jobs, then we should do so.”

It is interesting to note that these Muslim immigrants state quite openly that they are involved in a “war,” and see participation in crime and harassment of the native population as such. This is completely in line with what I have posited before. The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or from foreign parents. The phenomenon is not restricted to Sweden. The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations is so extremely high that it is difficult to view these rapes as merely random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. This is happening in most Western European countries, as well as in other non muslim countries such as India. European jails are filling up with Muslims imprisoned for robberies and all kinds of violent crimes, and Muslims bomb European civilians. One can see the mainstream media are struggling to make sense of all of this. That is because they cannot, or do not want to, see the obvious: this is exactly how an invading army would behave: rape, pillage and bombing. If many of the Muslim immigrants see themselves as conquerors in a war, it all makes perfect sense.

Malmö in Sweden, set to become the first Scandinavian city with a Muslim majority within a decade or two, has nine times as many reported robberies per capita as Copenhagen, Denmark. Yet the number one priority for the political class in Sweden during this year’s national election campaign seems to be demonizing neighboring Denmark for “xenophobia” and a “brutal” debate about Muslim immigration. During last years Jihad riots in France, Sweden’s Social Democratic Prime Minister Göran Persson criticised the way the French government handled the unrest in the country. “It feels like a very hard and confrontational approach.” Persson also rejected the idea of more local police as a “first step” in Sweden. “I don’t believe that’s the way we would choose in Sweden. To start sending out signals about strengthening the police is to break with the political line we have chosen to follow,” he said. Meanwhile, as their authorities have largely abandoned their third largest city to creeping anarchy, there is open talk among the native Swedes still remaining in Malmö of forming vigilante groups armed with baseball bats out of concern for their children’s safety. As I argued in another essay: If Arnold Schwarzenegger fails to get re-elected as Governor of California he may like to do a sequel to “Conan the Barbarian.” He could shoot it in Malmö. He will get the extras for free.

What happened to the famous Swedish nanny state, you say? Don’t Swedes pay the highest tax rates in the world? Yes, they do. But tens of billions of kroner, some say several hundred billions, are being spent every year on propping up rapidly growing communities of Muslim immigrants. Sweden has become the entire world’s welfare office, because the political elites have decided that massive Muslim immigration is “good for the economy.” Soon Sweden’s “army” may comprise no more than 5,000 men, five thousand troops to defend a nation more than three times the area of England. Moreover, it may take up to a year to assemble all of them, provided they are not on peacekeeping missions abroad. That Sweden might soon need a little peacekeeping at home seems to escape the establishment. In 2006 the celebrated Swedish welfare state has become the world’s largest pyramid scheme, an Enron with a national flag.

Although Sweden is an extreme example, similar stories could be told about much of Western Europe. As Mark Steyn points out, the Jihad in the streets of France looked like the early skirmishes of an impending Eurabian civil war, brought on by massive Muslim immigration and Multicultural stupidity. Law and order is slowly breaking down in major and even minor cities across the European continent, and the streets are ruled by aggressive gangs of Muslim youngsters. At the same time, Europeans are paying some of the highest taxes in the world. We should remind our authorities that the most important task of the state – some would even claim it should be the only task of the state – is to uphold the rule of law in exchange for taxation. Since it is becoming pretty obvious that this is no longer the case in Eurabia, we should question whether these taxes are still legitimate, or whether they are simply disguised Jizya paid in the form of welfare to Muslims and our new Eurocrat aristocracy. Although not exactly the Boston Tea Party, perhaps the time has now come for a pan-European tax rebellion: We will no longer pay taxes until our authorities restore law and order and close the borders to Muslim immigration.

This is urgent. When enough people feel that the system is no longer working and that the social contract has been breached, the entire fabric of democratic society could unravel. What happens when the welfare state system breaks down, and there is no longer enough money to “grease” the increasing tensions between immigrants and native Europeans? And what happens when people discover that their own leaders, through the EU networks and the Euro-Arab Dialogue described by Bat Ye’or in her book “Eurabia,” have been encouraging all these Muslims to settle here in the first place? There will be massive unemployment, and tens of millions of people will feel angry, scared and humiliated, betrayed by the system, by society and by their own democratic leaders. This is a situation in some ways similar to the Great Depression that led to the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s. Is this where we are heading once again, with fear, rising Fascism and political assassinations? The difference is that the “Jewish threat” in the 1930s was entirely fictional, whereas the “Islamic threat” now is very real. However, it is precisely the trauma caused by the events of 70 years ago that is clouding our judgement this time, since any talk at all about the threat posed by Muslim immigration or about preserving our own culture is being dismissed as “the same rhetoric as the Nazis used against the Jews.” Europeans have been taught to be so scared of our own shadows that we are incapable of seeing that darkness can come from the outside, too. Maybe Europe will burn again, in part as a belated reaction to the horrors of Auschwitz.
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So Holland falls, the US follows? I'd imagine the Muslim "revolution" would find a bit of resistance in Pennsylvania.
We can learn not to copy their idiotic welfare policies. Smart people learn by other people's mistakes.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060328/...oussaoui_dc_15

Al Qaeda detainees contradict Moussaoui testimony

By Deborah Charles
14 minutes ago

ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (Reuters) - Top al Qaeda operatives and others in U.S. custody said in testimony on Tuesday that Zacarias Moussaoui was untrustworthy and not part of the September 11 attacks.

One day after Moussaoui gave shocking testimony that he was meant to fly a plane into the White House as part of the September 11 plot, the men detained as U.S. enemy combatants contradicted him.

Most of the testimony was read aloud from detainees who were forbidden from testifying because of national security concerns. Much of it questioned Moussaoui's competence, and the man said to be the financier of the September 11 attacks said he had had no involvement with Moussaoui.

Moussaoui is on trial to determine if he gets the death penalty for admitting guilt in connection with the attacks in New York and Washington which killed about 3,000 people.

Last year, when he pleaded guilty to conspiracy in connection with the attacks, Moussaoui said he was meant to be in a second wave of attacks.

In an effort to rebut Moussaoui's own damaging admissions on Monday, defense attorney Edward MacMahon read a transcript from the hearing in which Moussaoui pleaded guilty and where he said he was not involved in the September 11 attacks.

The defense then rested its case. Closing arguments were scheduled for 1 p.m. on Wednesday, after which the jury will begin deliberations.

As part of their effort to rebuild its case, the defense presented a statement from Sayf al-Adl, a senior member of al Qaeda's military committee, who said Moussaoui was "absolutely not" going to take part in the September 11 mission.

Mustafa al Hawsawi, the financier who gave several of the hijackers airline tickets to the United States, said he had "no knowledge" of Moussaoui's financial dealings.

DAILY CALLS FROM MOUSSAOUI

A senior al Qaeda operative, known as Khallad, said Moussaoui broke security by phoning him every day during a trip to Malaysia in 2000.

Khallad, who was linked with the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in East Africa and masterminded the 2000 attack on the USS Cole, was eventually forced to turn off his telephone.

In testimony from Riduan Isamuddin -- known as Hambali -- Moussaoui was depicted as "not bright in the head and having a bad character."

"According to Hambali, Moussaoui managed to annoy everyone he came in contact with," the testimony said, adding that Hambali said he did not trust Moussaoui.

Hambali -- a top member of Jemaah Islamiah, an Asian group linked to al Qaeda -- said Moussaoui spoke of dreams he had to fly a plane into the White House. Moussaoui also constantly suggested operations Jemaah Islamiah members thought were "ridiculous," according to the testimony.

Hambali said he eventually paid for a plane ticket to Europe in order to get Moussaoui to leave Malaysia.

Moussaoui, who was arrested on August 16, 2001, said he did not have many details of the plot but knew he was to fly a plane into the White House and that the towers of New York's World Trade Center were also to be targets.

In testimony later on Tuesday, an FBI agent disclosed that Moussaoui met with prosecutors last month to offer to testify against himself for the government in exchange for better jail conditions until he was executed. A deal was never made after Moussaoui refused to cooperate unconditionally and was told he had a constitutional right to testify regardless of any deal.


What?

You mean he was lying just to get a 'rep'?

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Currently, we have a more pending problem: Mexican Illegal immigration. The last few days of protests should demonstrate the common thought among a large population of Hispanics who want the US to become just like Mexico--only with the perks like insurance and social welfare.
Mexican illegal immigration is a problem for the US, but hispanic culture is western, Judeo-Christian based, and has been a part of the continent since before the US came into existence. There's already a well-assimilated hispanic culture in the US, and the Mexican immigrants, for the most part, WANT to be a part of that American culture, and live within that cultural framework. I see it more as an issue of managing logistics, rather than a serious threat to the values of the USA. The Muslim immigration into Europe is an entirely different situation, IMO, and I think BHK has it exactly right. There's huge problems on the horizon there.
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Moussauoi wants to be a martyr. *shrug*
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