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Old 03-11-06, 12:01 PM
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Clinton, Lieberman propose CDC investigate games

I am against this. This gives too much power to the federal government.

The "violence" in video games is only pretend violence. The people who play these games are smart enough to be aware of that.

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Clinton, Lieberman propose CDC investigate games

Democratic Senators from New York and Connecticut are asking the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to investigate "impact of electronic media use."

A handful of US senators who are longtime foes of the video game industry took a first step Wednesday toward a future government crackdown.

Democrats Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, Hillary Clinton of New York, and Dick Durbin of Illinois persuaded a Senate committee to approve a sweeping study of the "impact of electronic media use" to be organized by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or CDC.

Even though the legislation--called the Children and Media Research Advancement Act--does not include restrictions, it appears to be intended as a way to justify them. That's because a string of court decisions have been striking down antigaming laws because of a lack of hard evidence that minors are harmed by violence in video games.

This "is a big step toward helping parents get the information they need about the effect of media on their children," Lieberman said after the vote by the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. Lieberman's two Republican cosponsors of the bill are senators Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Sam Brownback of Kansas.

The original version of the bill earmarked $90 million for the study, but Lieberman press secretary Rob Sawicki said that the committee had approved the measure without any dollar figure and that such a figure would be added later during the appropriations process.

Lieberman boasts on his Web site that he "held the first hearings on the threat posed to children by video game violence" and strong-armed the industry into developing a ratings system under threat of government action. He and Clinton introduced legislation late last year that would ban the sale or rental of any "mature" or "ratings pending" video game to a minor, and Lieberman has singled out Rockstar's Grand Theft Auto for particular criticism.

If the CDC eventually produces a study claiming a link between violent video games and harm to minors, the future of state and federal laws targeting such games could be radically different. So far, those laws have been ruled unconstitutional because judges have not found that kind of link to exist.

"Down the road when--if there is some sort of finding that there is harm in this--then we're going to see calls to regulate speech because of the potential harm," said Marv Johnson, legislative counsel to the American Civil Liberties Union. "That's where there's going to be a problem."

Missouri's St. Louis County had enacted a law prohibiting anyone from selling, renting or making available "graphically violent" video games to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent. But the 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that "before the county may constitutionally restrict the speech at issue here, the county must come forward with empirical support for its belief that 'violent' video games cause psychological harm to minors."

In 2004, a federal district judge in Washington state tossed out a law penalizing the distribution of games to minors in which harm may come to a "public law enforcement officer." The "state of the research" does not justify the ban, US District Judge Robert Lasnik ruled.

Lieberman's bill, called CAMRA, would provide funding to investigate the cognitive, physical, and sociobehavioral impact of electronic media on child and adolescent development--everything from physical coordination, diet, and sleeping habits to attention span, peer relationships, and aggression levels. Television, motion pictures, DVDs, interactive video games, the Internet, and cell phones would all be fair game.

But not all reception has been positive. The advocacy group Citizens Against Government Waste deemed Lieberman its "porker of the month" shortly after the measure was first introduced, criticizing him for spending taxpayer money on "redundant studies" already undertaken by groups like the Kaiser Family Foundation and the American Academy of Pediatrics.

It was not immediately clear how much the original bill was amended beyond the funding component or when it would receive a full Senate vote. A similar bill introduced by Rep. Edward Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat, has not yet been considered by the US House of Representatives.
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Wow, that's useful.
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Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb at it again.
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Cool, now playing video games is a disease...I want ADA protection.
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I know what's wrong with Senator Clinton (she wants to be president) but I can't for the life of me figure out what's wrong with Senator Lieberman, unless he wants to be president too.)
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We're banning cough syrup and allergy medications, so why not video games.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
I know what's wrong with Senator Clinton (she wants to be president) but I can't for the life of me figure out what's wrong with Senator Lieberman, unless he wants to be president too.)
He's been at this longer than she has.

I think this is a waste of the CDC's time, but my biggest issue with this, is I think it is only an attempt to get some "evidence" that will help support their, and others, failed legislation against video games. If a no-name state representative fails to keep legislation alive in their state, that's one thing, but two high profile senators? Well, they can't take that kind of embarrassment, can they?

As for legislation in general, I'm adamantly against it, as I've repeatedly argued on this site.
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maybe the cdc should only worry about real, communicable, diseases
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There's already a video game about disease control... it was called Life Force!

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Would the effects be much different than people who sit around all day reading violent novels? That would be insteresting to know.

If only there were some group other than the federal government that could take this on. Hmmm...

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Would the effects be much different than people who sit around all day reading violent novels? That would be insteresting to know.
Fuck no!!!
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And now some legislators are attempting to take it to the next level:
http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=4604409&nav=0RYv

I don't think this has any way in hell of making it far, but I also don't think this guy will be the last to attempt this. And, if a state finally gets a ban for minors to stay as law, I think we'll see harsher legislation be attempted more often.

The industry needs to get its shit together and self-regulate better, while gamers need to take a more pro-active stance and stop shrugging their shoulders just because it doesn't affect them, yet.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
I know what's wrong with Senator Clinton (she wants to be president) but I can't for the life of me figure out what's wrong with Senator Lieberman, unless he wants to be president too.)
Lieberman's been at it for a while. He apparently actually believes it.

Funny how a lot of this spawned from GTA...a rated "M" game.



Either of morons go up for President, and I'm going back to apathetically not voting. Republican, or anti-videogame Democrat....hmmm....doesn't leave me many options.


P.S. - What a waste of the CDC's time. I'd rather they spend it researching...I don't know...diseases and stuff?

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The greatest irony of these laws is in some areas minors could go to their local library and borrow these video games.
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Republican, or anti-videogame Democrat....hmmm....doesn't leave me many options.
Yeah, I think his (and his wife's) censorship position was one of the things that made him more attractive to the Dems since he'd grab some of the religious Conservative votes.
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Originally Posted by Fielding Mellish
With Democrats like these, who needs...
...disease?
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I have great respect for Mr. Lieberman. Wish he didn't hold the position that he does on this issue though.
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Originally Posted by Bushdog
Yeah, I think his (and his wife's) censorship position was one of the things that made him more attractive to the Dems since he'd grab some of the religious Conservative votes.
But do you lose more of your base than you gain? Just my opinion, but Republicans (especially the religious conservatives) seem to care much more about the abortion issue than the video game issue, and won't likely leave. But I could see more Democrats that are college aged, etc. going to the Green party again, or some similar alternative, or more likely not voting.
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But I could see more Democrats that are college aged, etc. going to the Green party again, or some similar alternative, or more likely not voting.
The number of college-aged kids that bother to vote is so small, I don't think worrying about the voting pattern of college-aged kids that also play video games is something to spend a lot of time on. We're probably talking 78 people.
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True. Maybe it plays well with the geezer crowd who tends to be more the FDR democrat rather than the anything goes social democrat.
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