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Old 01-22-06, 12:01 PM
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Michael Moore urges Canadians not to vote conservative on Monday.

From his website:

Friday, January 20th, 2006

Michael Moore Statement on Canadian Election

Michael Moore is currently in production on his next movie. As an avid lover of all things Canadian, he has issued the following statement regarding Canada's upcoming election on Monday:

Oh, Canada -- you're not really going to elect a Conservative majority on Monday, are you? That's a joke, right? I know you have a great sense of humor, and certainly a well-developed sense of irony, but this is no longer funny. Maybe it's a new form of Canadian irony -- reverse irony! OK, now I get it. First, you have the courage to stand against the war in Iraq -- and then you elect a prime minister who's for it. You declare gay people have equal rights -- and then you elect a man who says they don't. You give your native peoples their own autonomy and their own territory -- and then you vote for a man who wants to cut aid to these poorest of your citizens. Wow, that is intense! Only Canadians could pull off a hat trick of humor like that. My hat's off to you.

Far be it from me, as an American, to suggest what you should do. You already have too many Americans telling you what to do. Well, actually, you've got just one American who keeps telling you to roll over and fetch and sit. I hope you don't feel this appeal of mine is too intrusive but I just couldn't sit by, as your friend, and say nothing. Yes, I agree, the Liberals have some 'splainin' to do. And yes, one party in power for more than a decade gets a little... long. But you have a parliamentary system (I'll bet you didn't know that -- see, that's why you need Americans telling you things!). There are ways at the polls to have your voices heard other than throwing the baby out with the bath water.

These are no ordinary times, and as you go to the polls on Monday, you do so while a man running the nation to the south of you is hoping you can lend him a hand by picking Stephen Harper because he's a man who shares his world view. Do you want to help George Bush by turning Canada into his latest conquest? Is that how you want millions of us down here to see you from now on? The next notch in the cowboy belt? C'mon, where's your Canadian pride? I mean, if you're going to reduce Canada to a cheap download of Bush & Co., then at least don't surrender so easily. Can't you wait until he threatens to bomb Regina? Make him work for it, for Pete's sake.

But seriously, I know you're not going to elect a guy who should really be running for governor of Utah. Whew! I knew it! You almost had me there. Very funny. Don't do that again. God, I love you, you crazy cold wonderful neighbors to my north. Don't ever change.

Michael Moore

(Mr. Moore is not available for interviews because he now needs to address the situation in Azerbaijan. But he could be talked into it for a couple of tickets to a Leaf's game.)
"Far be it from me, as an American, to suggest what you should do. You already have too many Americans telling you what to do."

That's right, so shut the f*** up you fat bastard!
Old 01-22-06, 12:06 PM
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Do you believe Moore understands the difference between the conservative party in Canada than conservatives in the U. S.?
Old 01-22-06, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
From his website:



"Far be it from me, as an American, to suggest what you should do. You already have too many Americans telling you what to do."

That's right, so shut the f*** up you fat bastard!
You may recall several Canadians were glad to help us with advice on who to vote for in our last election. Hint - it wasn't the winner.
Old 01-22-06, 12:17 PM
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I always thought the conservative party in Canada was more like moderates in both parties in the US.

Also I like the crack about electing a man that would take away from the indengenous people. If he is talking about the US, I believe both parties are equal in the amount they have screwed over Native Americans.
Old 01-22-06, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman2
Do you believe Moore understands the difference between the conservative party in Canada than conservatives in the U. S.?
Nope!

Heck, I'm 90% sure I'm gonna vote conservative tomorrow.
Old 01-22-06, 12:32 PM
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I heard the liberals are losing control up there.
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Heard a Liberal radio ad today; it said don't let Bush win by voting Conservative...

p.s.: Welcome to Ottawa, PM Harper
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Originally Posted by sjrab16
I always thought the conservative party in Canada was more like moderates in both parties in the US.
They used to be. Then they merged with a very right wing (for Canada) party and they've slid over that way more. While they're not as right wing as Republicans, they're probably the most right wing government we'll have.

While I won't be voting Conservative, I'm glad the Liberals will be gone and there will be a change. Because that's what we need here....a change. I hope that a good chunk of NDPers are voted in so give a little bit of balance to the equation...

As for Moore...whatever...he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Originally Posted by huzefa
Heard a Liberal radio ad today; it said don't let Bush win by voting Conservative...

p.s.: Welcome to Ottawa, PM Harper
Some of the Liberal ads were so stupid. Check this one out: http://www.liberal.ca/multimedia_e.aspx?id=70

Go to the Washington Times one...

The Liberals just need to be decimated.
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Yes, I agree, the Liberals have some 'splainin' to do.
I wonder what he means by that?
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
Nope!

Heck, I'm 90% sure I'm gonna vote conservative tomorrow.
So educate us here. What are the issues in Canada that have the public riled up enough that they want to switch parties?
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
I wonder what he means by that?
The Liberals have been involved in some scandals in the past few years, the least of which being the Sponsorship scandal. Some time back, in an effort to make Quebecers want to stay Canadian, the govt set up a program to advertise Canada in Quebec and (supposedly) around the country. What happened was that all of the contracts went to friends of the Liberal party and in addition, barely any work was done. Also, money that was paid in govt funds for these projects was then kicked back to the Liberal party by special arrangement. That's the big one...the one that basically created this election.

There's others, as well. I think the big thing is that a lot of Canadians think that the Libs have just gotten too comfortable...they think they're entitled to do whatever they want. From what I can see, a lot of people are still a little cautious about Stephen Harper, but they just don't want the Liberals back...
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I am voting Conservative but I am from Alberta so that is no big surprise.
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OMG, it's the domino theory in action! Conservatism is spreading all across North America! Europe needs to step in and invade the U.S. before communist Cuba falls to the conservative movement!
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Originally Posted by Corleone
I am voting Conservative but I am from Alberta so that is no big surprise.
Go Oilers!
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Originally Posted by hahn
So educate us here. What are the issues in Canada that have the public riled up enough that they want to switch parties?
See solipsta's post. The Liberals have been screwing people over long enough. I expect a minority conservative government to be elected. I also expect that government to be a center-right government, certainly not a far right government because one, a minority government won't allow that, and two, Harper knows he'll be elected because Canadians had enough of the Liberals, not because Canadians suddenly felt a longing for a more conservative agenda.
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The conservatives and liberals in Canada are actually surprisingly similar. Liberals have been borrowing fiscal strategies from the conservatives for years. They claim to have adopted some conservative attitudes towards electoral reform, but they haven't done squat about it to date. Conservatives have had to moderate their views on gay-marriage, etc. a bit towards the center in order to compete with the liberals. Long story short, Canada isn't going to suddenly turn into a big northern american state if the Conservatives win a majority. If the Conservatives win only a minority, which is entirely likely, they're definately not going to rock the boat and risk bringing the government down in another six months.

Harper has said he is willing to re-evaluate Canada's non-participation in the U.S. missile defence plans *if* the U.S. raises the issue first and provides compelling new evidence that it can be made to work. The U.S. probably won't even bother raising the issue however, since they know they have nothing new to bring to the table. Harper has said he might revisit the issue of gay-marriage with a free vote. Worst case scenario, the house of commons wastes a bit of time. If a majority of Canadians support gay-marriage it's not going to be banned in a free vote. Harper is said to be pro-private-health-care, but Paul Martin already goes to private clinics, so we'll call that a tie, only Harper is at least honest about it.

The Liberals, thanks to their corruption finally catching up with them right in the middle of an election, face an "anyone-but-the-liberals" popular movement. Their only hope is to smear the only other party capable of replacing them with fear, uncertainty and doubt. It's not working. The Liberals like to claim they are a national party while the Conservatives are just a regional hick party from out West, but which party is actually likely to have seats in a larger portion of the country this election? It isn't the liberals. They're the regional party now.

Personally, I'm in a riding where the Conservative candidate could be a lump of radioactive goo and he'd still win. (He's not far off, actually...) It doesn't help matters that the NDP candidate is a 19-year old poli-sci student (Hey! Thanks for trying Jack!), the Green party candidate is a 23-year-old technical school graduate, and the Liberal candidate... well... This is Alberta. In any other province a Liberal might have a chance if she ran a really good campaign here, but Trudeau's legacy lives on in Alberta like some high-powered form of herpes. The only reason for Martin's single 6-hour stop in Alberta this election was to *look* like he's running a national campaign to voters in other provinces where the liberals have a hope of getting a single seat.

If being ignored wasn't bad enough, Paul Martin made one of the most disgusting remarks I've ever heard in Candian politics this week to a Halifax paper this week. He claimed that a Conservative government would not represent Nova Scotia since it would be run by a "Calgary cabal". Seriously, I know it's par for the course to bash the West out East, but can you imagine the reaction any Federal leader would receive if he claimed a political party could not be trusted since it's cabinet was a "Montreal cabal", or a "Toronto Cabal"?

Another election with no real choice. Joy!
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Originally Posted by sjrab16
I always thought the conservative party in Canada was more like moderates in both parties in the US.
Yeah, I just can't see Canadians putting up with assheads like O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, etc.
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Originally Posted by Nutter
The conservatives and liberals in Canada are actually surprisingly similar.
Though a lot of party faithful would hate to admit it, it is the same in the USA.

As for Moore, I am more and more convinced that at some point down the road he will let us all in on the fact that it was a joke. He makes wild movies pandering to people that hate Bush and conservatives, and it pays him very well. He has trusts set up to protect his money from taxes, and in them owns a lot of stocks with big companies that he complains about. He goes to Canada to save money when shooting a movie and uses tactics to keep his workers from forming a union. Despite what comes out of his mouth, I believe he has only had 1 person who was not white as a producer in any of his movies, or in any position that matters. He needs conservatives in power and he needs people riled up so he can keep making money.

He used to just be against all politicians, but when it looked like Gore had a chance, he threw his support to him and helped him lose.

Moore is just about money and making it by telling people what they want to be true.
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Originally Posted by Jason
Yeah, I just can't see Canadians putting up with assheads like O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, etc.
Again with O'Reilly being a conservative? He is just a blowhard that floats between the sides. He is for the legalization of medical marijuana and believes in the dangers of Global Warming. Yeah, he's an asshead, but he has some very liberal views as well. But then again, he is on FOX, so he must be conservative, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Nutter
Personally, I'm in a riding where the Conservative candidate could be a lump of radioactive goo and he'd still win. (He's not far off, actually...) It doesn't help matters that the NDP candidate is a 19-year old poli-sci student (Hey! Thanks for trying Jack!), the Green party candidate is a 23-year-old technical school graduate, and the Liberal candidate... well...
Too funny. That almost exactly describes my riding. I'm in Randy White's former riding and so it's pretty much a lock for the Conservatives. Ed Fast doesn't really have to do anything and he'll win. The Liberal candidate tried to bribe the NDP candidate to drop out and was dropped from the Liberals because of it. The NDP candidate is a 23 year old who ran for council and lost and the Green candidate is a 20 year old college student.

My vote is basically worthless other than the monies it might bring to a minor party...
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I'll be voting NDP. The NDP had a very strong role in anything that happened in the last government and since it looks like nobody is going to get a majority they will probably have quite a bit of control over this one as well. I honestly do have to question whether the conservatives will be able to carry out their "plan" without creating a huge deficit.
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Originally Posted by Jason
Yeah, I just can't see Canadians putting up with assheads like O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, etc.
Probably not. But, on the other hand, can you see them putting up with an asshat like Howard Dean in charge of one of their major parties?
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I'll be voting NDP.
Why, you dirty socialist, you.

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Our media in the US is going to be wearing black in mourning tomorrow.


Yeah, I just can't see Canadians putting up with assheads like O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, etc.
Just remember, they're responsible for Celine Deon.

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