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Bush to Compare Iraqis to America's Founders

Old 12-12-05, 08:23 AM
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Bush to Compare Iraqis to America's Founders

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is using a visit to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, as a reminder before the Iraqi elections that the path to American democracy was not always easy either.

Pennsylvania also is the home state of a leading Iraq war critic, Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who planned to speak on Bush's heels and repeat his call to bring the troops home from a fight he says has become too violent and out of control.

Murtha, a hawkish former Marine, has galvanized war critics and been an outspoken counterpoint to Bush's portrayal of success in Iraq. Since Murtha first called for troop withdrawal last month, the president has talked more openly about difficulties in Iraq in a series of speeches leading up to Thursday's election.

Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.

Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.

The final address in the series is planned for Wednesday in Washington.

Murtha's aides said he committed weeks ago to be in Philadelphia on Monday for a reception with the Chamber of Commerce. But after Bush scheduled the speech in his home state, Murtha added another event -- a news conference to respond to the president.

"I've finally come to the conclusion that we've become the enemy, and that there's no alternative" to pulling troops out, Murtha said Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation." "Every day we're there, we inadvertently kill people. ... That makes enemies."

An Associated Press-Ipsos poll taken this month indicates Bush's public relations campaign might be working. He improved his job approval rating from 37 percent in November to 42 percent. While still relatively low, that is his highest figure since summer.

"Speeches by the president have been helpful," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, a critic of the administration's handling of Iraq policy, said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "They have been long overdue."

In his first two speeches, Bush claimed new strength for both Iraq's troops and economy, while acknowledging difficulties caused by continuing violence. His speech Monday will focus on the political progress and his determination to help Iraqis build institutions for a lasting democracy, aides said.

The president would argue that, like the Americans who gathered in Philadelphia for the constitutional convention in 1787, Iraqis are showing their resolve to govern themselves.

Voter turnout will be an important benchmark for success in Iraq, particularly among the disaffected minority Sunni Arabs who have been the foundation of the insurgency. Zalmay Khalilzad, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, predicted Sunday that Sunnis would turn out in large numbers, win 40 to 55 seats in the assembly and become more involved in government.

"Politics will become more important, and our hope and expectation is that violence and use of the military means will become less important," Khalilzad told ABC's "This Week." "Although I do not anticipate that that change will take place very quickly. In the best of circumstances, it will take time and will change incrementally."
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Some might argue that Bush is making soimewhat of a stretch with that comparison.
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Old 12-12-05, 08:36 AM
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Well, I guess if he limits the comparison to, "both groups were humanoid bipeds" I can't find fault with that.
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Old 12-12-05, 08:45 AM
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BTW: One could also argue that CNN was 'stretching somewhat' with the title of the article.
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Old 12-12-05, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by classicman2
BTW: One could also argue that CNN was 'stretching somewhat' with the title of the article.
Well, it depends on what Bush ends up saying, I guess.
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Old 12-12-05, 10:20 AM
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The speech just started for those interested...
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In a related comparison, Iraqi citizen Ben Al-franklin discovers electircity!
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In a related comparison, Iraqi citizen Ben Al-franklin discovers electircity!
...and was prompty blown up by a suicide bomber intent on depriving the Iraqi citizenry of their allah-given rights to electric power.
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Well, if they are like the founding fathers, they'll not want any foreign influence on their country and will probably want foreign troops out.
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Old 12-12-05, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by VinVega
Well, if they are like the founding fathers, they'll not want any foreign influence on their country and will probably want foreign troops out.
More like, in about 15 years we'll be engaged in an undeclared war at sea with them. Hopefully, this time we'll be prepared and ramp up our frigate building program.
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Old 12-12-05, 11:13 AM
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Well, if they are like the founding fathers, they'll not want any foreign influence on their country and will probably want foreign troops out.
Except for French and German influences .
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Old 12-12-05, 12:48 PM
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In a way. They are risking their lives every day.
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So anyone who opposes the war and/or believes it is time to get out would have been against our own founding fathers then? Bastards...
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That's about I see it.
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Old 12-12-05, 02:28 PM
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So anyone who opposes the war and/or believes it is time to get out would have been against our own founding fathers then? Bastards...
clever, eh?
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Here's the speech http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0051212-4.html it's way to long to copy/paste though IMHO. As usual it reads better than it sounds Surprisingly he took questions at the end I assume they were the scripted questions but still it's unusual for him to even take those[1]. I believe Murtha was supposed to have the rebuttle speech, anyone been able to find that?

[1] Edit according to NPR they weren't scripted.

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And they roasted Michael Moore when he compared the insurgency to the Minutemen. Its outrageous when the occupying force is .... us.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
Its outrageous when the occupying force is .... us.
Yep

Bush keeps digging bigger holes
with his mouth!!!!!!!!!!!
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And they roasted Michael Moore when he compared the insurgency to the Minutemen. Its outrageous when the occupying force is .... us.
That's because Michael Moore is fat.
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Don't forget that many Iraqis wear powdered wigs. That's a pretty big coincidence also.
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