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Old 12-08-05, 01:09 PM
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Old 12-08-05, 07:49 PM
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Huge

Long overdue IMO.
Old 12-08-05, 08:06 PM
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How Cow, bfrank showed up. I knew he'd be back if we changed the rules.

Seriously, I've noticed a few new posters to the forum over the past few days. Maybe things are looking up.
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Nifty.

Maybe i'll wander in here a bit more now.

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Moderators think they are so superior to us Norms.





What's up with bfrank coming around?


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FWIW, I'll do my part to be kinder and gentler. Honestly, I'm not this sarcastic. This forum brings out the worst side mostly because it's my outlet for my frustrations about this administration. And sometimes, the smugness around here just gets too much. But I'll do better at walking away. I wish you mods luck in putting out the fires. It's the political forum. It's kind of like trying to light a cigarette while standing in a puddle of gasoline.

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It seems that some of the fun has returned to the forum.
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Yes, I noticed c-man had taken a small hiatus.
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From the "high taxes drive productive Californians to leave the state" thread:

Originally Posted by nemein
Alot of people were complaining about the partisan bickering/sniping that was going on in the Political Forum. It was to the point where a lot of regulars were saying they weren't coming around any more because of it. In order to help keep things on a friendly/productive level we decided the institute the new rule. Overall it's a balancing act between what is/isn't allowed and I'm sure we don't always get it right but I think things have improved here since the rule went into effect.

BTW it might be best to take this discussion to the sticky thread so if you want to reply please copy/paste this post and continue there.
I was one of the people who had mentioned a lack of civility in this forum, and although I am only an occasional poster I read most of the threads here. Since the rule has been enacted I've noticed a marked inprovement in the tone of the forum. Sure, people still take the "liberals are causing this problem" and "conservatives are destroying our liberties" position, but are taking the time to try to back up their assertions to avoid making one-note sniping posts, which is good. I don't have a problem with anyone expressing their point of view, no matter what that view is. The non-reasoned bickering that so permeated this forum previously is, for the most part, gone IMO. Props to the mods, who work hard to maintain a delicate balance between allowing freedom of expression of opinions and controlling tempers/bickering.
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I don't know how much change I've seen, although I never had much of a problem with the place originally. Politics in general is an emotional topic, so emotional responses are to be expected. I do appreciate the efforts of the mods in trying to keep things civil. That's one of the things that keeps me coming back here.
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I do think it's better overall. However, the mods never seem to advance past initial warnings. What I mean is a poster will make a useless/inflammatory comment, a mod will say don't do that, the poster will do it again in another thread, mod again tells them to cut it out, poster does it again... etc. How many times to you have to be told "stop" before you get a suspension? If there's no follow-through, there's no reason to obey the rules.

Still, I really do believe the overall tone has improved.
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I haven't seen any change myself. Frankly, I'm a little tired of it all, and haven't been posting as much in here lately.
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Originally Posted by uberjoe
However, the mods never seem to advance past initial warnings. What I mean is a poster will make a useless/inflammatory comment, a mod will say don't do that, the poster will do it again in another thread, mod again tells them to cut it out, poster does it again... etc. How many times to you have to be told "stop" before you get a suspension? If there's no follow-through, there's no reason to obey the rules.
I completely agree.
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I haven't seen any change myself. Frankly, I'm a little tired of it all, and haven't been posting as much in here lately.


I think I might just start sticking to the other forums where the mods and posters are almost always mutually respectful and fair.

The changes makes no sense if there is no consistency in how the rules are applied and if you dare ask someone to please help you understand what about a post is wrong, you get no clarification.

Of course, clarification when a situation comes up could only benefit all posters, as it could be later applied to all posts, so that everyone feels there is one set of rules for all.

Meanwhile, one group gets away with pretty much anything they want to do short of actual name-calling.
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Meanwhile, one group gets away with pretty much anything they want to do short of actual name-calling.
The amusing thing about this statement is... both sides have been saying it
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Originally Posted by nemein
The amusing thing about this statement is... both sides have been saying it
Yes, but only one side is correct when they say it. It's up to you to guess which one I mean.
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I guess you're doing a decent job when both sides of the political spectrum say you're biased in the other's favor.
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Originally Posted by VinVega
I guess you're doing a decent job when both sides of the political spectrum say you're biased in the other's favor.
Yeah, but people say the same thing about the media, and I'm not so sure they're doing such a great job...
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Yeah, but people say the same thing about the media, and I'm not so sure they're doing such a great job...
Thanks a lot. Now I'm like the media.
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Sominex,

There's no need to be as antagonistic as this and some of your other posts.
Just want to make sure I understand you right (respectfully)

It's ok for certain posters to:

1. Criticize me
2. Attack me personally
3. Post pictures about me

But I can't make generalized statements?

I've been called "strident, biased, and devoid of facts ". If that isn't antagonistic I don't know what is!


I find it ironic (maybe wrongly so), that I contribute a LOT to this forum this is both neutral and contructive. Other's just criticize me and attack me, but my SMALL percentage of posts that respond with SIMILAR rhetoric to them are honed in on and singled out.

I don't know... I'm just wondering. No disrespect intended at all man.

Even though I've gotten reprimanded in the particular thread, I was told I was no longer allowed to reply, and I must post it here. So there it is (above)
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Originally Posted by Sominex
Just want to make sure I understand you right (respectfully)

It's ok for certain posters to:

1. Criticize me
2. Attack me personally
3. Post pictures about me

But I can't make generalized statements?

I've been called "strident, biased, and devoid of facts ". If that isn't antagonistic I don't know what is!


I find it ironic (maybe wrongly so), that I contribute a LOT to this forum this is both neutral and contructive. Other's just criticize me and attack me, but my SMALL percentage of posts that respond with SIMILAR rhetoric to them are honed in on and singled out.

I don't know... I'm just wondering. No disrespect intended at all man.

Even though I've gotten reprimanded in the particular thread, I was told I was no longer allowed to reply, and I must post it here. So there it is (above)
We're talking about The Path to 9/11 thread

I think you need to take a look at your posting style and how it may ber interpreted by people.
Originally Posted by Sominex
A) I'll feel free to comment on whatever I'd like to comment on, thank you very much
Originally Posted by Sominex
Wow! We caught the little fish! YAAAYYY!
Originally Posted by Sominex
Awwww.... if you say so. *lol*
I've mentioned those comments. Now, JasonF and chess were out of line for calling you condescending and for posting the daily show photoshopped picture, but I think it's fair to say that they were reacting to the tone displayed in your posts, not your argument and not necessarily against the person you are, or your party affiliation. They were wrong for making it about YOU, I absolutely agree. I know both of these posters and generally, they do pretty well at having a conversation or a spirited debate.

I'm only mentioning this because I DO think you have a lot to add to the forum and you are an active member, something that the forum always needs. Personally, I lean to the left on a lot of issues, so I'm generally going to side with the opinion of the lefty posters, however, I have gotten lefty posters exiled and suspended from the site for some of the things we've discussed in this very post. My only advice is even in the zeal to "win" an argument, to take a step back before you hit the submit button and make sure you're addressing the poster's topic (not the poster) in a respectful manner. If everybody does this, we're golden. Fair enough?
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Now, JasonF [was] out of line for ... posting the daily show photoshopped picture
When I posted the picture, I was thinking of Stephen Colbert's TV persona. He's a pretentious blowhard who puts people "on notice" for perceived slights, which are not necessarily actual insults. He put "bears" on notice, for example.

So when I posted the picture, I was trying to poke fun at myself as much as at Sominex. I was trying to say that we had become enemies who couldn't communicate with each other -- not real enemies, though, but cartoonish enemies a la Stephen Colbert and his enemies, real and imagined. It was an attempt to bow out of the conversation and defuse the situation.

Sorry that it failed.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
When I posted the picture, I was thinking of Stephen Colbert's TV persona. He's a pretentious blowhard who puts people "on notice" for perceived slights, which are not necessarily actual insults. He put "bears" on notice, for example.

So when I posted the picture, I was trying to poke fun at myself as much as at Sominex. I was trying to say that we had become enemies who couldn't communicate with each other -- not real enemies, though, but cartoonish enemies a la Stephen Colbert and his enemies, real and imagined. It was an attempt to bow out of the conversation and defuse the situation.

Sorry that it failed.
Yes, it didn't go over too well. I certainly didn't get it, although Colbert is very funny.
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Death to JasonF, I plan a Day of Rage unless he bows down and properly apologizes!

Note to the humor-impaired: I am not calling for Jason's death. It's a parody of the muslims who are calling for the pope's death for not quite apologizing the way they want.

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