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Old 12-06-05, 03:58 PM
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We need your help changing the reputation of the Political Forum

I have to admit when we tried to incorporate general news into the Political Forum I was shocked at the responses/comments in the feedback thread http://dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=444299 I knew the Political Forum was a place where people would be a little more confrontational (and that's not necessarily a bad thing if done properly) but I hadn't thought it had gained such a reputation as was portrayed in the thread above (and comments in a couple of other threads). As you may have noticed we are trying to tone the party bashing/rhetoric down a bit and in that we would like your help.

There are two things I think will help. The main thing is if people think before they post instead of firing from the hip. After writing a new post or response, read back over it and try to think of how other people will respond to it (switch left for right and vice versa if you are making a generalization and see how it reads that way, or even better try to avoid such generalizations in the first place ). It should be noted we are NOT trying to stiffle opinions and people should feel free to express themselves. We are only asking that it be done in a civilized manner. The "goal" of the Political Forum is to give people a place to have thoughtful discussions about the events and things that are happening in the world around us.

In similar fashion, the second recommendation is if you are starting to get a little "worked up"/miffed/pissed-off by the posts of some people please just report the post and then take a break from the forum or that specific thread for awhile. Moderators have lives/jobs too so sometimes it takes awhile before someone sees the report and can respond, if a response is necessary. Responding by "defusing" is another approach that can be used. What I mean by that is taking what the person said and responding in a reasonable manner that attempts to address the allegations/statements made. Responding "in kind" to a post (or "in kind" w/ a similar new thread) though is one of the things that I think has lead to the reputation the forum now has.

Hopefully people will agree there's nothing too outrageous about either of these requests and I think it's a better start than coming in w/ a heavy hand and laying down a bunch of new rules (which is the other option). I think it may take a little time to repair the "damage" that has been done but if we treat each other w/ respect I think it can be done. If you really want a "no holds bar" political discussion though there are plenty of newsgroups/political forums <u>elsewhere</u> that will accomodate you.

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Old 12-06-05, 04:05 PM
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Oh, I did think of something. Probably bad idea, but here goes:

Is it possible to have a suspended status for only one forum? So that people could be suspended from the political forum only and still use the rest of DVDTalk? That might allow people who get carried away once in a while to be suspended for a violation of political forum conduct that may not be in conflict with the general posting rules at DVDTalk. It could also possibly be for a shorter term and maybe not as flagrant as a typical suspension (not a bannable offense, more a "take it easy" reminder).

Eh, just an idea. It would obviously require a few ground rules to be set up, but I would certainly be willing to go by them. Even if it didn't allow for French bashing.

The honor system request is good, and we can see how it goes. It would just be nice to have something more functional, particularly since we do seem to have more and more people joining the political forum that may not know the history behind it. Just like people spamming with affiliate links, hit and run postings from bloggers might be nice to limit.

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Old 12-06-05, 04:15 PM
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I've never had a problem with the level of discourse in this forum. I do the same thing here as I do in Otter for threads I'm not interested in - I ignore them. I also ignore posts that don't intelligently discuss the topic.
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Old 12-06-05, 04:19 PM
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The honor system request is good, and we can see how it goes. It would just be nice to have something more functional, particularly since we do seem to have more and more people joining the political forum that may not know the history behind it. Just like people spamming with affiliate links, hit and run postings from bloggers might be nice to limit.
We are considering these sorts of things. Since we are starting to make more <i>Mod note:</i> comments I thought it would be helpful to explain to people what is going on and what we are trying to do first. Personally I prefer self-moderation as it makes my job easier
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How about people can post the news as they normally do in the other forum, but if they want to discuss it in a political matter they make another post over here. There's been some topics (like Katrina) where we have done that and it seemed to work pretty well.

I don't think you're going to be very successful trying to enforce a "be nice" type policy in a politics forum, especially with the political discourse in this country being anything other than cordial by our leaders (and it seems to get worse every day).

There was a similar request to tone down rhetoric posted about a year ago and it seemed to me that people were following that pretty well (I know i've tried). In a few threads people would post something along the lines of "all members of the abc party are dumb" and the mods have handled it appropriately.

I guess my $.02 is that I don't see a problem with the way it is and I think those that do probably shouldn't venture into this area of DVDTalk. It would be like me asking to tone down the stuff being said in the Adult forum. I don't go in the Adult forum. Easy enough.

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Old 12-06-05, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by nemein
Personally I prefer self-moderation as it makes my job easier
Proof of the right-leaning moderation of this forum.

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Old 12-06-05, 04:43 PM
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I don't really notice it. People are just too sensitive. I think you just need a sticky that says "READ THIS BEFORE POSTING" and in it you need to explain that if you are offended by something I posted, you took it too seriously, etc. There really ought to be a better disclaimer about the history of the members that post in this forum.
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Old 12-06-05, 07:59 PM
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Good luck in your quest nemein. I will do my part to make things more civil, but you've got your work cut out for you with a small minority of posters who give the forum the reputation it has. Personally, I never had too much of a problem here, but I don't take it too seriously.
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Old 12-06-05, 08:35 PM
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I think it's expecting too much to think that asking people to play nicer is going to clean up this forum. There are a number of people who have clearly shown an unwillingness to be reasonable, civilized and considerate -- and they've been allowed to act that way for so long that I doubt change is possible.

And people say that it's politics, so of course people get worked up a lot, and it's just a reflection of the overall discourse in the country to be so callous and rude. As if this makes it acceptable. I say: so what? Improve the level of discourse. Be more open. Think before you blindly crap on an entire group of people simply because they choose to call themselves "liberal" or "conservative," or because they voted for this guy or that guy. Be better than that, for God's sake.

I sincerely hope this request will work. Really I do. But I think a solution will only come through much stricter moderation and a handful of suspensions and/or bannings. I love the idea of restricting people from Politics specifically while still letting them post in other forums.

On a positive note, I've been pleased to see moderators responding more quickly to worthless posts in the past couple of days. A definite good start.
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Old 12-08-05, 01:11 PM
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If you are serious, then this is the type of bullshit that needs to be dealt with:

Originally Posted by Myster X
Kerry torched villages in Vietnam you know.
That goes for posters on both sides.
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Old 12-08-05, 01:17 PM
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1. Ban oneliners.
2. Ban the words: liberal, conservative, Reps, Dems, left, right, socialist, communist, capitalist, and all synonyms.

This will force people to THINK before they regurgitate the same pre-digested crap over and over and solve at least 75% of the problems.

All those in favor of forum dictatorship say "yeah!"
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Old 12-08-05, 01:29 PM
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Essentially the "reset button" has just been hit and everyone should consider themselves on notice now http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448146 I would prefer, and I'm pretty sure I speak for all the mods, not to have to come down w/ a "iron fist" approach to doing the moderating. That's why we are asking for people's help. We'll see how this goes for awhile and take it from there if something more is needed.
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Originally Posted by nemein
Essentially the "reset button" has just been hit and everyone should consider themselves on notice now http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448146 I would prefer, and I'm pretty sure I speak for all the mods, not to have to come down w/ a "iron fist" approach to doing the moderating. That's why we are asking for people's help. We'll see how this goes for awhile and take it from there if something more is needed.


I think, by and large, the climate here is improving, in spite of a few bumps in the road.
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Old 12-08-05, 01:38 PM
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It's almost become milquetoast like.
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That's the tricky part... trying to maintain a balance between people who are willing to take firm stances on things w/o being <i>purposefully</i> offensive/belligerent and those who are just trolling for attention/kicks. As I said originally I was surprised at the reputation the forum acquired. I knew we had some pretty spirited debates but I didn't think it had gotten to the point where people felt they couldn't express an opinion. Hopefully what's outlined in the new sticky will help things a bit.
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Old 12-08-05, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LiquidSky
If you are serious, then this is the type of bullshit that needs to be dealt with:



That goes for posters on both sides.
The entire thread was full of sarcasm. Is that too much for you to comprehend?
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Old 12-08-05, 02:26 PM
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Bush Hates the Political Forum....


i dont know but Nemein good luck with that
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Originally Posted by Myster X
The entire thread was full of sarcasm. Is that too much for you to comprehend?
I think adding "Is that too much for you to comprehend?" is exactly the sort of thing nemein and the other mods are talking about. What does it add besides an attack on LiquidSky?
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Old 12-08-05, 02:32 PM
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It's almost become milquetoast like.
I agree.

There is a simple thing to do if you are the offended type. Stay out of the political forum or don't click the threads.
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There is a simple thing to do if you are the offended type. Stay out of the political forum or don't click the threads.
If you can't stand the heat................
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Originally Posted by JasonF
I think adding "Is that too much for you to comprehend?" is exactly the sort of thing nemein and the other mods are talking about. What does it add besides an attack on LiquidSky?

Perhaps he should start reading the thread and finding out that it wasn't serious at all before shooting blanks at me might help?

question: Why didn't you report this?
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...=446328&page=2
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I don't really notice it. People are just too sensitive. I think you just need a sticky that says "READ THIS BEFORE POSTING" and in it you need to explain that if you are offended by something I posted, you took it too seriously, etc. There really ought to be a better disclaimer about the history of the members that post in this forum.
In my opinion, this is exactly what is WRONG with the Politics Forum. It seems that if you are a longtime member and a Politics Forum regular, you can get away with murder. There are members here who would have been banned within a week had they made the same type of comments in other areas of DVD Talk. Yet they go undisciplined and continue spewing their drivel day after day after day. Why? Because "that's just the way they are"?
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If we're going to ban members for posting drivel, we're going to have far fewer members.
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This is hilarious - see how fast this thread has succumbed to the very thing it's trying to prevent?
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