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Conservative
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Liberal
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Moderate
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16.95%
Libertarian
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5.08%
Socialist
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1.69%
The kind of person who thinks about an issue before deciding
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Poll: what do you think is the average political leaning of Political Talk?

Old 11-28-05, 05:57 PM
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We have continual U. S. bashing from Canadian members - two of whch have posted of this very thread.
Old 11-28-05, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
I think the bipartisanship/polarization of ideas that comes from having a two party system is somewhat to blame for this. Battlelines are drawn on a number of issues and it seems that only two (contrary) opinions can exist on most topics. From personal experience, whether it's the media or having discussions with friends and family, I find a much wider range of opinions on issues and much less obvious bias/slant than on this forum. I think that bipartisanship is somewhat detrimental to critical thinking in the United States.

Come on now. Not only is that simply untrue, it is sanctimonious and wrongly condescending. Would it be fair of me to say that there simply isn't anything worthwhile to talk about in Canada or have a varied opinion about?
Old 11-28-05, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman2
We have continual U. S. bashing from Canadian members - two of whch have posted of this very thread.
I hope you weren't referring to me.
Old 11-28-05, 06:50 PM
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Political talk is whatever will get the politician or his/her party re-elected. Talk to the masses and damn the real issues. Case in point today as Bush wont address a real problem with illegal immigration so he wont insult the Hispanic population as it gets closer to mid term elections. Fix the vote, not fix the problems is the current political (left and right) strategy.

TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Monday tried to balance differences in his own Republican Party over illegal immigration by rejecting amnesty and calling for a hardened Mexico border but also vowing the United States would remain "a welcoming society."

Fueled by fears of terrorists slipping into the country, escalating violence and drug smuggling, Americans have become increasingly worried about illegal immigration. More than three-quarters think the government is not doing enough to control the borders, according to a CBS News poll last month.

At Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Bush portrayed his proposed temporary worker program -- which many Republicans say rewards lawbreakers and provides "backdoor amnesty" -- as a way to relieve pressure on enforcement by bringing illegal immigrants "out of the shadows."

"There's a lot of opinions on this proposal. I understand that," Bush said. "The program that I proposed would not create an automatic path to citizenship. It wouldn't provide amnesty. I opposed amnesty."

But the United States, he said, had always been "a compassionate nation that values the newcomer" and "the American people should not have to choose between a welcoming society and a legal society."

On enforcement, he pledged to harden the border with increased manpower and new technology including unmanned aerial surveillance. He proposed returning illegals to hometowns in Mexico's interior and adding capacity to detention facilities.

Bush has a fine line to walk between playing to the demands of his conservative base for tougher enforcement and the Republican Party's desire to court the votes of Hispanics, the fastest-growing minority in the United States.
The issue is expected to play a major role in congressional elections in many states next year.

His guest worker proposal offers the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States the chance to register and work -- mostly at low-skilled jobs Americans don't want -- for up to six years. They must then return to their home countries for a year to apply for a new work permit.
Old 11-28-05, 06:52 PM
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Case in point today as Bush wont address a real problem with illegal immigration so he wont insult the Hispanic population as it gets closer to mid term elections.
Actually neither party really wants to address this problem for that reason IMHO.
Old 11-28-05, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nemein
Actually neither party really wants to address this problem for that reason IMHO.
Exactly right. Whatever party is in power and didn't do anything to truely address the issue will be held to answer for when terrorists set off bombs in our major cities and then say "It was easy.. we just walked across the border." Some Al Queda folks have been caught at the border trying to come into this country, but it goes unreported because the FBI always refuses to confirm it - much at the Bush administration's request I should imagine. It's a hot potato(e) issue.
Old 11-28-05, 07:05 PM
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Come on now. Not only is that simply untrue, it is sanctimonious and wrongly condescending.
Huh? Untrue? Sanctimonious? Condescending? Or even "bashing" as our most senior member alluded to? How so? Or at least which part(s)? You don't see any facts or truths whatsoever in what I posted? If so, I'm truely baffled so let's recap:

1. A two party system causes bipartisanship which in turn causes polarisation of ideas.

2. Said bipartisanship is at it's worse (in your or my lifetime) since Bush was 1st elected therefore polarisation of ideas has never been more apparent.

3. People (in general) tend to view issues in terms of a liberal vs conservative battle. This permeates into the media where, whether on tv or in newspapers most news and opped pieces treatment/analysis of issues takes a backseat to the liberal vs conservative bickering.

4. This of course affects the way people think, aka critical thinking, because every discussion is mired by a political agenda and opinion 'A' is always pitted against opinion 'B' with other possible opinions rarely being considered.

5. Are there moderates and/or people who are able to address issues despite their slant/bias? Sure, but these people have little to no voice because they are drowned by those who shout the loudest and who are suspicious of those they can't seem to be able to label and fit in one of the two camps. The media? They just go with the flow and print/air what sells, i.e they cater to the above two camps.

Generally speaking, I think that all the above are true. And again, from personal experience, because this polarization of ideas doesn't exist (or exists to a much lesser extent) here, we see more diverse opinions on issues with less obvious bias/slant.

Would it be fair of me to say that there simply isn't anything worthwhile to talk about in Canada or have a varied opinion about?

I don't see what the heck this has to do with what I posted.

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I'm not sure "bipartisanship" is the word you want to use in relation to conflict between the parties.
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Originally Posted by X
I'm not sure "bipartisanship" is the word you want to use in relation to conflict between the parties.
Perhaps both parties have agreed to disagree?
Old 11-28-05, 09:37 PM
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How was this thread suppose to be replied to? Were we to vote on our political belief, or how we preceive the forum to lean?

And to be fair....Moderate, Liberal, Socialist, "The kind of person who...." are all on the same side of the spectrum...why not Progressive?
Old 11-28-05, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
And to be fair....Moderate, Liberal, Socialist, "The kind of person who...." are all on the same side of the spectrum...why not Progressive?
I can see someone making an argument Liberal and Socialist are the same (although there might be some overlap I disagree they are equal though). I don't see how Moderate and "The kind of person who..." necessarily equates to being Liberal though.
Old 11-28-05, 10:07 PM
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Overwhelmingly conservative (though not always ultraconservative) or libertarian (a.k.a. quasi-anarchist), which is why I almost never bother to post here; the discourse is often not civil.
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Originally Posted by nemein
:I don't see how Moderate and "The kind of person who..." necessarily equates to being Liberal though.
The majority of the "moderates" that I personally know are liberal.

"The kind of person who..." by my estimation is a BS political standing. If this person were to sit down with a list of issues, guns, taxes, military, social welfare, the constitution....odds are that they will end up answering all the questions to either the left or the right of the spectrum.

Basically, I'd have to say, that political affiliation is represented by what one feels is the purpose of goverment. What purpose do they serve? What is their primary job? Take the fight with the supreme court, it's basically breaking down as to how one "interprets" the Constitution.
Old 11-29-05, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
2. Said bipartisanship is at it's worse (in your or my lifetime) since Bush was 1st elected therefore polarisation of ideas has never been more apparent.
Oh, what short memories we have.
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Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
Overwhelmingly conservative (though not always ultraconservative) or libertarian (a.k.a. quasi-anarchist), which is why I almost never bother to post here; the discourse is often not civil.
Good idea. We're all radicals hell-bent on brainwashing unsuspecting posters.
Old 12-01-05, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Goldblum
Good idea. We're all radicals hell-bent on brainwashing unsuspecting posters.
On the contrary, I think it is more common for people on the "left" to want to persuade others of their views ("brainwashing" is a term that only applies to a conversation concerning those susceptible to it; here it is rhetoric), whereas the propensity of people on the "right" is to be absolutely convinced of their being correct and obdurately closed off to others' opinions. I don't like to generalize, but, allowing for variance, this is my empirical conclusion.

So, espousing a leftist philosophy around here tends to be like either talking to a brick wall or inviting pile-on ridicule.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
Its obvious liberal posters stay away. The membership in this area is definitely skewed to the conservative side. All of the mods are conservative as well which is sad. It seems the blatantly anti-conservative threads get locked quickly where the anti-liberal ones seem to fester. Both should be locked.
I agree with this. I like to read the Politics forum sometimes, but if I responded to many posts I'd get beat down all the time. Especially with one line zingers. Those are the worst, and I can never think of any of them myself.

I wonder if the general DVD forum is quite this conservative. I get the feeling that many here loathe everything about Hollywood in general (the Joe Dante thread for example), which seems odd for people who love movies. So I stick to posting mainly in the DVD forum.

But it's still entertaining, and I think there are some very intelligent posters here on both sides of issues.
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I agree with this. I like to read the Politics forum sometimes, but if I responded to many posts I'd get beat down all the time. Especially with one line zingers. Those are the worst, and I can never think of any of them myself.

I wonder if the general DVD forum is quite this conservative. I get the feeling that many here loathe everything about Hollywood in general (the Joe Dante thread for example), which seems odd for people who love movies. So I stick to posting mainly in the DVD forum.

But it's still entertaining, and I think there are some very intelligent posters here on both sides of issues.
Here's a shocker, you just posted in the Political Forum. I'm sure you'll get some responses from the more "passionate" folks that you may not like, but there are a lot of folks here who would give you a polite and well thought out response even if they disagree with you. As some have mentioned, you're probably not going to change any minds, but getting all the opinions out there and as much facts as you can at least gives people something to think about. I appreciate this forum so much because I think I understand the other side's point of view better when I read threads here. Once you can understand where the other side is coming from, you are on the path to some common ground and I do see that a lot here too. You just have to look for it amongnst the shouting. Maybe you should consider posting more in the future.
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Does anyone on this seriously believe that there are as many moderates on this forum as liberals? I see where the vote is 19 to 19.

There must be a bunch of liberals who consider themselves moderate.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
Does anyone on this seriously believe that there are as many moderates on this forum as liberals? I see where the vote is 19 to 19.

There must be a bunch of liberals who consider themselves moderate.
You're just afraid of sharing your turf with too many people.

Actually, it's not who you think you are, but where the forum stands, so anyone voting Liberal or Moderate, would probably be from the Conservative point of view, since we all know this forum is rabidly Conservative.
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It's generally rabid - I'll agree to that.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
Does anyone on this seriously believe that there are as many moderates on this forum as liberals? I see where the vote is 19 to 19.

There must be a bunch of liberals who consider themselves moderate.
<b>Once again, you are misunderstanding the question asked by the poll.</b>

Those resposes DO NOT indicate that 19 people who responded consider themselves moderates, and 19 consider themselves liberal.

What they DO indicate is that 19 people who responded consider <b>the average political leaning</b> of everyone who posts here to be moderate, and the same people feel that <b>the average political leaning</b> to be liberal.
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Well, we need to start a gotcha thread for those 19.
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if it had been a public poll fewer people would have voted for each of those 19, I'd imagine
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I'd like to see what 20 non-members of DVD Talk would say after reading one week of the posts on the politics forum.

I know my wife, she reads the threads once in awhile, swears that this forum is a hotbed of liberalism. Of course she's a conservative. I would expect my two sons would say the same thing.

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