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Old 11-25-05, 12:30 AM
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Breaking News: Canada's government expected to fall Monday

Quebec wanting to secede.
Al Qaeda nesting up there.
Military might go bankrupt.
PM installing his own buddies in the senate bypassing democratic elections.
Canada is one of the worst polluters in the world.

Why can't some Canadian provinces vote to secede and join the US?

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TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Opposition parties introduced a no-confidence motion on Thursday that is expected to topple Prime Minister Paul Martin's government and force an election campaign during the holidays.

Canada's three opposition party leaders say they will vote Monday to bring down Martin's minority government.

They claim the Liberal Party no longer has the moral authority to lead the nation, referring to a corruption scandal within the Liberal ranks. Martin hasn't been accused of any wrongdoing, but senior officials of his party have.

Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper said his party would join with the New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois parties to bring down the government after Martin rejected their demand to go to the polls after the Christmas holidays are over.

Harper has garnered enough opposition votes to bring down the minority government in a no-confidence vote in Parliament, launching a campaign that would overlap the Christmas-New Year season, though the actual voting day would likely be in January.

"This House has lost confidence in the government," Harper said.

The motion was tabled after a frantic week in Ottawa, where the government rushed to offer a cascade of policy announcements before its demise.

Martin's government fell into peril after it lost the support of the New Democratic Party. New Democrats leader Jack Layton -- whose support of Martin's scandal-plagued minority government earlier this year helped him escape early elections -- said he hadn't received enough assurances that the Liberal Party would crack down on the increased use of private health care in Canada.

Martin made a deal with Layton's leftist party last spring, pledging $3.6 billion in social spending and a promise to delay billions in corporate tax cuts. In return, the New Democrats propped up the Liberals in a confidence motion, providing the support of their 19 members for a House of Commons motion that they survived by a single vote.

Martin has promised to call an election within 30 days of the release of the second part of a report into a corruption scandal within his Liberal Party. The document is expected on February 1, likely prompting elections in the first week of April, a time of year that suits Canadians better than the bitterly cold and busy holiday season.

The last time a Canadian political campaign coincided with the holiday season was in 1979, when Joe Clark's minority Conservative government was toppled just weeks before Christmas. The vote was delayed until February, however, when Pierre Trudeau and the Liberals took back Parliament.

Recent polls have given the Liberals a slight lead over the Conservatives, with the NDP in third place nationally. Those same surveys suggest the Bloc would sweep the French-speaking province of Quebec, making a majority government unlikely no matter which party wins the most seats in the 308-member House of Commons.

The opposition is banking on the public's disgust with an ongoing Liberal Party corruption scandal. The first of two investigative reports, released two weeks ago, absolved Martin of any wrongdoing, but accused senior Liberal Party members of kickbacks and misspending tens of millions of dollars in public money targeted for a national unity program in Quebec.
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I thought they had a budget surplus and were going to "give" some of it back to the people they took it from in the first place. Or maybe "give" it back to some of the people who they didn't take it from.

Maybe they figured it was better to reorganize.
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Old 11-25-05, 04:52 AM
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Why can't some Canadian provinces vote to secede and join the US?
Because none of them want to.

This really isn't as catastrophic as it sounds. As the article said, there would be an election in the spring, anyway. The opposition parties just want the control of saying when the election is held. Plus, it's looking like they (the Conservative Party) have a chance at forming government if an election is held right now. If they wait, who knows what would happen. I really don't think the Conservatives can get in...people up here are too scared of them.

Also, Quebec has been wanting to be declared a state for a long time now...and senate seats have always been appointed by the government...and yeah, we've had pretty big surpluses for a couple years now. I'm sure the Liberals will use a lot of it in the next little while to try and buy another few years in government.
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Old 11-25-05, 04:59 AM
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Why can't some Canadian provinces vote to secede and join the US?
Not gonna happen, and if it were I'd be first in line to move to another country.
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But it is fun to speculate about.

I read an interesting article about the possible ramifications during the last round of Quebec nuttiness.

Quebec splits off. The eastern provinces try to join the US while the western provinces form the new canada (or was it the other way around?) Huge debate in the US regarding allowing the ultra liberal ex-canadian provinces to join. It focused on the nitty gritty and was very interesting. I'll see if I can find it.
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Good. Tis the end of the Evil Empire.
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Originally Posted by Coral
Not gonna happen, and if it were I'd be first in line to move to another country.
Me too.
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Me too.
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It sounds like wishful thinking by those who want to get their hands on Canada's natural resources.
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It sounds like wishful thinking by those who want to get their hands on Canada's natural resources.
Haven't you heard? Céline Dion already moved to Las Vegas.
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Why would they want to join a country that's stuck with bush for 3 more years?
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Just why in the hell would Canada want to join the US. That's a step backwards.

P.S. Just noticed Mammal's post.
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Originally Posted by Mammal
Why would they want to join a country that's stuck with bush for 3 more years?
The border is open...

Oh, unless <i>you do</i> have a reason to stay?
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Oh I do...to torment the chickenhawks, and advocate a parliamentary system for the USA.
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Maybe aliens are causing this!

Former Canadian Minister Of Defence Asks Canadian Parliament Asked To Hold Hearings On Relations With Alien "Et" Civilizations
Thu Nov 24, 7:00 AM ET

(PRWEB) - OTTAWA, CANADA (PRWEB) November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three Non-governmental organizations to ask the Parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics -- relations with “ETs.”

By “ETs,” Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth.

On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something."

Hellyer revealed, "The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop."

Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide."

Hellyer’s speech ended with a standing ovation. He said, "The time has come to lift the veil of secrecy, and let the truth emerge, so there can be a real and informed debate, about one of the most important problems facing our planet today."

Three Non-governmental organizations took Hellyer’s words to heart, and approached Canada’s Parliament in Ottawa, Canada’s capital, to hold public hearings on a possible ET presence, and what Canada should do. The Canadian Senate, which is an appointed body, has held objective, well-regarded hearings and issued reports on controversial issues such as same-sex marriage and medical marijuana,

On October 20, 2005, the Institute for Cooperation in Space requested Canadian Senator Colin Kenny, Senator, Chair of The Senate Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence, “schedule public hearings on the Canadian Exopolitics Initiative, so that witnesses such as the Hon. Paul Hellyer, and Canadian-connected high level military-intelligence, NORAD-connected, scientific, and governmental witnesses facilitated by the Disclosure Project and by the Toronto Exopolitics Symposium can present compelling evidence, testimony, and Public Policy recommendations.”

The Non-governmental organizations seeking Parliament hearings include Canada-based Toronto Exopolitics Symposium, which organized the University of Toronto Symposium at which Mr. Hellyer spoke.

The Disclosure Project, a U.S.– based organization that has assembled high level military-intelligence witnesses of a possible ET presence, is also one of the organizations seeking Canadian Parliament hearings.

Vancouver-based Institute for Cooperation in Space (ICIS), whose International Director headed a proposed 1977 Extraterrestrial Communication Study for the White House of former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, who himself has publicly reported a 1969 Close Encounter of the First Kind with a UFO, filed the original request for Canadian Parliament hearings.

The Canadian Exopolitics Initiative, presented by the organizations to a Senate Committee panel hearing in Winnipeg, Canada, on March 10, 2005, proposes that the Government of Canada undertake a Decade of Contact.

The proposed Decade of Contact is “a 10-year process of formal, funded public education, scientific research, educational curricula development and implementation, strategic planning, community activity, and public outreach concerning our terrestrial society’s full cultural, political, social, legal, and governmental communication and public interest diplomacy with advanced, ethical Off-Planet cultures now visiting Earth.”

Canada has a long history of opposing the basing of weapons in Outer Space. On September 22, 2004 Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin declared to the U.N. General Assembly,” "Space is our final frontier. It has always captured our imagination. What a tragedy it would be if space became one big weapons arsenal and the scene of a new arms race.

Martin stated, "In 1967, the United Nations agreed that weapons of mass destruction must not be based in space. The time has come to extend this ban to all weapons..."

In May, 2003, speaking before the Canadian House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada Lloyd Axworthy, stated “Washington's offer to Canada is not an invitation to join America under a protective shield, but it presents a global security doctrine that violates Canadian values on many levels."

Axworthy concluded, “There should be an uncompromising commitment to preventing the placement of weapons in space.”

On February 24, 2005, Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin made official Canada's decision not to take part in the U.S government’s Ballistic Missile Defence program.

Paul Hellyer, who now seeks Canadian Parliament hearings on relations with ETs, on May 15, 2003, stated in Toronto’s Globe & Mail newspaper, “Canada should accept the long-standing invitation of U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio [somehow you just knew he'd have to be in this story] to launch a conference to seek approval of an international treaty to ban weapons in space. That would be a positive Canadian contribution toward a more peaceful world.”

In early November 2005, the Canadian Senate wrote ICIS, indicating the Senate Committee could not hold hearings on ETs in 2005, because of their already crowded schedule.

“That does not deter us,” one spokesperson for the Non-governmental organizations said, “We are going ahead with our request to Prime Minister Paul Martin and the official opposition leaders in the House of Commons now, and we will re-apply with the Senate of Canada in early 2006.

“Time is on the side of open disclosure that there are ethical Extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth,” The spokesperson stated. “Our Canadian government needs to openly address these important issues of the possible deployment of weapons in outer war plans against ethical ET societies.”
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Why can't some Canadian provinces vote to secede and join the US?
They don't want us, and we don't want them.
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Haven't you heard? Céline Dion already moved to Las Vegas.
I don't think the Canadian government officially apologized for that yet, have they?
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Originally Posted by Myster X
Quebec wanting to secede.
Al Qaeda nesting up there.
Military might go bankrupt.
PM installing his own buddies in the senate bypassing democratic elections.
Canada is one of the worst polluters in the world.
National Enquirer covers international events now?
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I don't think the Canadian government officially apologized for that yet, have they?
It's what really started the downhill spiral in our two countries' relationship.
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I don't think the Canadian government officially apologized for that yet, have they?
Nice play.

Is there a Canuck version of Prime Minister's Questions?
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They claim the Liberal Party no longer has the moral authority to lead the nation, referring to a corruption scandal within the Liberal ranks. Martin hasn't been accused of any wrongdoing, but senior officials of his party have.
too bad we can't do that to our leaders when there is a corruption scandal
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I'm not for scraping our system for a parliamentary democracy. It's worked, I will argue, very well for over 200 years.
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Haven't you heard? Céline Dion already moved to Las Vegas.
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too bad we can't do that to our leaders when there is a corruption scandal
they tried to get rid of clinton for years, but the bastard was like John Gotti. Made of Teflon and nothing would stick.
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