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Al-Zarqawi killed?

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Report: al-Zarqawi killed by explosions in Mosul
By JPOST.COM STAFF

At least one Arab television media outlet reported that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of the al-Qaida in Iraq, was killed in Iraq on Sunday afternoon when eight terrorists blew themselves up in the in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

The unconfirmed report claimed that the explosions occurred after coalition forces surrounded the house in which al-Zarqawi was hiding.

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I know these reports aren't always true, but we can hope it might be.
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Zarqawi probably has no problem sending others with bombs strapped to themselves to blow up women and children but I suspect the snake left through a hole in the back before this.
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It is interesting to note that people very close to al-Zarqawi were used in the Jordan bombings. That implies that he's is (was?) having problems recruiting trusted "martyrs" and that things may be (have been?) closing in on him.

You would think these recent offensives against terrorist strongholds had that as one of their objectives.
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Yes, I read that too. The woman whose bomb didn't go off indicated that he sent his second in command to die in Jordan.
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If true it may create a great opportunity for the US/Iraqi forces to make some headway I'm not holding my breath though...
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Originally Posted by nemein
If true it may create a great opportunity for the US/Iraqi forces to make some headway I'm not holding my breath though...
How many times has he been reported killed? Hopefully, this one is for real, but I'm not believing it until I see a body.
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Old 11-20-05, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonF
How many times has he been reported killed? Hopefully, this one is for real, but I'm not believing it until I see a body.
That's why I'm not holding my breath
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Old 11-20-05, 02:53 PM
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What do you think would happen to Bush's poll numbers if Al-Zarqwi & OBL were both killed?
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Before or after Democrats play the hand they must have ready for that?
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Old 11-20-05, 02:57 PM
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What do you think would happen to Bush's poll numbers if Al-Zarqwi & OBL were both killed?
At this point maybe a little bump but nothing significant. The only thing that'll save the poll numbers is if the number of US deaths and suicide bombings (in that order since bombings that kill Iraqies seem to be secondary to most people) starts to go down. Starting to bring troops home would also help, but at this point the Dems will make it look like it was their idea and Bush was giving into pressure from them (which I guess ultimately answers my question the other day about why the rhetoric over Iraq was starting to increase ).
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I disagree. I believe it would be a signficant bump, because some people who doubt that it's a war against terrorism would believe that it is a war against terrorism with the death of those 2.

If both were killed, the politically smart thing to do would be wait until after next months election in Iraq. If the election comes of well - then you have a blockbuster announcement to make - sucessful election & death to the terrorists.

Being honest - if the national average price of gasoline was what it is in Okahoma City, Bush's numbers would soar.
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I'm not sure this is related but if Zarqawi is dead this is a great time for this offer to come up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051120/...reconciliation
Iraqi President Asks Insurgents to Disarm

By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer Sun Nov 20,10:30 AM ET

CAIRO, Egypt -
Iraq's president said Sunday he was ready for talks with opposition figures and members of
Saddam Hussein's outlawed Baath Party, and he called on the Sunni-led insurgency to lay down its arms and join the political process.

However, Jalal Talabani insisted at a reconciliation conference that the Shiite- and Kurdish-dominated government would not meet with Baath Party members or fighters of the Sunni-led insurgency attacking Iraqi and U.S.-led forces in the country.

"I am the president of Iraq and I am responsible for all Iraqis. If those who describe themselves as Iraqi resistance want to contact me, they are welcome," Talabani told reporters at the U.S.-backed and Arab League-sponsored conference. "I want to listen to all Iraqis. I am committed to listen to them, even those who are criminals and are on trial."

Talabani's remarks came amid reports he already met in Cairo with representatives of the former regime. Those reports appeared to catch some Shiite delegates by surprise.

"This is a unilateral move which has not coordinated with us," said one Shiite leader, who requested anonymity because of the fear of political repercussions.

The London-based Al Hayat newspaper reported Sunday that Talabani had received proposals from insurgent groups and that their "conditions" were being reviewed in coordination with the
Pentagon and American officials at the Cairo conference. Talabani did not comment on the report.

"Those who carry guns should come back to their senses, there is no reason to hold arms," he said.

The three-day meeting in Cairo opened Saturday under the auspices of the Arab League in an attempt to patch over ethnic and religious fault lines and address the contentious issue of who would participate in a larger reconciliation conference planned for January.

Leaders of Iraq's Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish communities are struggling with serious differences over power sharing, the 30-month insurgency and the future of the U.S. troops in Iraq.

Sunni leaders, who were dominant under the Saddam regime, are pressing ahead with demands that the Shiite-majority government should agree to a timetable for withdrawing all foreign troops and broad amendments to the constitution ratified Oct. 15.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Sunday on ABC's "This Week" that commanders' assessments will determine the pace of any military drawdown. About 160,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq as the country approaches elections Dec. 15.

The Pentagon has said it plans to scale back troop strength to its pre-election baseline of 138,000, depending on conditions. Rumsfeld said the U.S.-led coalition continues to make progress in training Iraqi security forces, which he placed at 212,000.

Sunnis also want recognition for resistance forces and the reconstitution of Saddam's army in order to bring back former regime officers.

Shiites have been skeptical of the conference from the start and strongly opposed participation by Sunni Arab officials from Saddam's regime or pro-insurgency groups.

The conference nearly collapsed on its first day when Shiite and Kurdish delegates stormed out of the closed session, infuriated when a speaker said they had sold out to the Americans.

Later they were persuaded by Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal to return after an apology, but the walkout highlighted the sectarian and political divisions at the all-party gathering, which was boycotted by some key leaders of Iraq's Shiite and Sunni communities.

As delegates continued talks Sunday, they agreed to form a committee to work out an agenda for the January meeting. Alaa Rushdi, an Arab League spokesman, said Secretary-General Amr Moussa and Arab foreign ministers were trying to bridge the deep gaps separating the parties
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Originally Posted by classicman2
Being honest - if the national average price of gasoline was what it is in Okahoma City, Bush's numbers would soar.
What is it in OC? I noticed on the way home from church this morning around here it's in the $2.20s.
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I was in OKC yesterday and paid $1.68.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
How many times has he been reported killed? Hopefully, this one is for real, but I'm not believing it until I see a body.
Maybe he became a Hindu when no one was looking.
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Old 11-20-05, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by nemein
What is it in OC? I noticed on the way home from church this morning around here it's in the $2.20s.
Looks like $1.81 to $1.90.

http://www.oklahomacitygasprices.com/
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Old 11-20-05, 03:09 PM
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About $2.59 here.
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Old 11-20-05, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman2
I was in OKC yesterday and paid $1.68.
That would nice, and it would probably help quell the disapproval on the domestic side. It seems though everything right now is wrapped up in Iraq though. This is what the Dems wanted and how they have shapped the conversation/national debate recently and that ultimately is what is going to make or break the Bush presidency.
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Zarqawi's death would be nice but it's certainly not the end of someone rising up and taking his place.

We currently have forensics looking at the bodies. 7 men and 1 woman are burned rather...crispy. We have his DNA so we should know before Thanksgiving.
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<img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051120/capt.ny10711201949.rise_of_al_zarqawi_ny107.jpg?x=180&y=265&sig=Y9Xfn_mEii5CSuiCVkPZyg--">

Just thought I'd post this, it's a pic of Zarqawi in case you haven't seen him before (I hadn't...).
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Originally Posted by nemein
That would nice, and it would probably help quell the disapproval on the domestic side. It seems though everything right now is wrapped up in Iraq though. This is what the Dems wanted and how they have shapped the conversation/national debate recently and that ultimately is what is going to make or break the Bush presidency.
I believe that the issues that concern Americans the most are the ones that affect them the most. Most Americans visit the pump quite often.

However, it's not rosy - if you heat your home with natural gas, look out.
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What do you think would happen to Bush's poll numbers if Al-Zarqwi & OBL were both killed?
Big Al, probably not much. He just doesn't resonate as a major threat to the American people.

Osama, he'd probably get a bump, because that's who we were supposed to be fighting in the first place. Couple it with some of that $1.68 gas, and he might pull himself out of the muck for a while (until more staff are indicted).
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OBL is dead. Has been for years.
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It's up on Yahoo now, this story has gone further than another other rumor about him:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051120/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

They killed 8 insurgents!

Al-Zarqawi May Be Among Dead in Iraq Fight By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
35 minutes ago



BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a gunfight some by their own hand to avoid capture. A U.S. official said Sunday that efforts were under way to determine if terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among the dead.

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Insurgents, meanwhile, killed an American soldier and a Marine in separate attacks over the weekend, while a British soldier was killed by a roadside bomb in the south.

In Washington, a U.S. official said the identities of the terror suspects killed in the Saturday raid was unknown. Asked if they could include al-Zarqawi, the official replied: "There are efforts under way to determine if he was killed."

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

On Saturday, police Brig. Gen. Said Ahmed al-Jubouri said the raid was launched after a tip that top al-Qaida operatives, possibly including al-Zarqawi, were in the house in the northeastern part of the city.

During the intense gunbattle that followed, three insurgents detonated explosives and killed themselves to avoid capture, Iraqi officials said. Eleven Americans were wounded, the U.S. military said. Such intense resistance often suggests an attempt to defend a high-value target.

American soldiers controlled the site Sunday, and residents said helicopters flew over the area throughout the day. Some residents said the tight security was reminiscent of the July 2003 operation in which Saddam Hussein's sons, Odai and Qusai, were killed in Mosul.

The elusive al-Zarqawi has narrowly escaped capture in the past. U.S. forces said they nearly caught him in a February 2005 raid that recovered his computer.

In May, the group said he was wounded in fighting and was taken out of the country for treatment. Within days, it reported he had returned though there was never any independent confirmation that he was wounded.

The U.S. soldier killed Sunday near the capital was assigned to the Army's Task Force Baghdad and was hit by small arms fire, the military said. The Marine, assigned to Regimental Combat Team 8, 2nd Marine Division, died of wounds suffered the day before in Karmah, a village outside Fallujah to the west of the capital.

In the southern city of Basra, a roadside bomb killed a British soldier and wounded four others, the British Ministry of Defense said. The ministry said 98 British soldiers have died in the Iraq conflict.

The U.S. military also said Sunday that 24 people including another Marine and 15 civilians were killed the day before in an ambush on a joint U.S. Iraqi patrol in Haditha, 140 miles northwest of Baghdad in the volatile Euphrates River valley.

According to the U.S. statement, the attack began Saturday with a roadside bomb detonating next to the Marine's vehicle, followed by a heavy volley of fire from insurgents.

"Iraqi army soldiers and Marines returned fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding another," the statement said.

The three American deaths brought to at least 2,093 the number of U.S. service members who have died since the war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Meanwhile, four women were killed Sunday night when gunmen stormed their home in a Christian district of eastern Baghdad, police said, adding that valuables were stolen and the motive for the attack appeared to have been robbery.

The latest deaths occurred at the end of a violent three-day period in which at least 140 Iraqi civilians died in a series of bombings and suicide attacks most targeting Shiite Muslims.

The victims included 76 people who died Friday in near-simultaneous suicide bombings at two Shiite mosques in Khanaqin and 36 more killed the next day by a suicide car bomber who detonated his vehicle amid mourners at a Shiite funeral north of the capital.

In Washington, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Sunday on ABC's "This Week" that commanders' assessments will determine the pace of any military drawdown. About 160,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq as the country approaches parliamentary elections Dec. 15.

The Pentagon has said it plans to scale back troop strength to its pre-election baseline of 138,000, depending on conditions. Rumsfeld said the U.S.-led coalition continues to make progress in training Iraqi security forces, which he placed at 212,000.

Rumsfeld also said talk in the United States of a quick withdrawal from Iraq plays into the hands of the insurgents.

"The enemy hears a big debate in the United States, and they have to wonder maybe all we have to do is wait and we'll win. We can't win militarily. They know that. The battle is here in the United States," he told "Fox News Sunday."

In Cairo, Egypt, Iraq's president said Sunday he was ready for talks with anti-government opposition figures and members of Saddam Hussein's outlawed Baath Party, and he called on the Sunni-led insurgency to lay down its arms and join the political process.

But President Jalal Talabani, attending an Arab League-sponsored reconciliation conference, insisted that the Iraqi government would not meet with Baath Party members who are participating in the Sunni-led insurgency and attacking Iraqi and U.S.-led forces in the country.

"I am the president of Iraq and I am responsible for all Iraqis. If those who describe themselves as Iraqi resistance want to contact me, they are welcome," Talabani told reporters. "I want to listen to all Iraqis. I am committed to listen to them, even those who are criminals and are on trial."

Talabani made clear in his remarks, however, that he would talk with insurgents and "criminals" only if they put down their weapons.

In Baghdad, hundreds of Sunnis demanded an end to the torture of detainees and called for the international community to pressure Iraqi and U.S. authorities to ensure that such abuse does not occur.

Anger over detainee abuse has increased sharply since U.S. troops found 173 detainees at an Interior Ministry prison in Baghdad's Jadriyah neighborhood. The detainees, mainly Sunnis, were found malnourished and some had torture marks on their bodies. Sunni Arabs dominate the insurgent ranks.

The 400 protesters carried posters of tortured detainees, disfigured dead bodies and U.S. troops detaining Iraqis as they marched for a few hundred meters (yards) through western Baghdad.

Iraq's Shiite-led government has promised an investigation and punishment for anyone guilty of torture. Attacks against Shiite civilians by Sunni religious extremists have occurred throughout the Iraq conflict but spiked since the detainees were found last weekend
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You gotta wonder if it's a coincidence Zarqawi will be "found by US forces" or "killed by US forces"....just after he threatens to behead the King Of Jordan. Somebody knew where he was all along, maybe?
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