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Old 11-18-05, 08:17 PM
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Republicans call House session to ask Dems if the want immediate IRAQ withdraw!

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PA Congressman Murther (sp) <D> made the papers today saying we should withdraw troops from Iraq. Republicans called a house session to put it to a vote. They have some very good and heated arguments going on in congress right now. The rep from Ohio kinda called Murther a coward and the crowd went wild


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You know, I almost hope they vote on it right now. It may end up being a bad decision, but at least they'll be standing up for something.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
You know, I almost hope they vote on it right now. It may end up being a bad decision, but at least they'll be standing up for something.

Sounds like they are.

The way the press is phrasing it is the Republicans are responding to all the backlash and accusations from the Democrats aboutt he war being wrong and we shouldn't be there. So the Republicans want them to voice that on record and have it voted on to see if they are all talk or not
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Murtha a coward? Uh oh - they are going to swift-boat Murtha now too, huh?
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Defense official: Top U.S. general in Iraq submits troop-withdrawal plan

From CNN's Mike Mount at the Pentagon

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A withdrawal plan for U.S. troops in Iraq has been
submitted to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld by the top U.S. commander in
Iraq, according to a senior defense official.
The plan, submitted by Gen. George Casey, has numerous options, and
recommends that brigades begin leaving Iraq by early 2006. A brigade is
generally made up of about 2,000 troops.
The official said the plan would start after the Dec. 15 Iraqi elections
in an effort not to discourage voters going to the polls.
The plan has yet to be signed by Rumsfeld, and still is condition-based,
meaning certain milestones must be met before troops can be removed.
The plan would only withdraw a certain amount of troops during 2006.
Top Pentagon officials have long said that in order for U.S. troops to
start leaving, Iraqi troops must show they are capable of handling security on
the ground without depending on U.S. troops, be assured the Iraqi political
process is strong, and reconstruction and economic conditions are moving
forward.
There are almost 100 Iraqi security brigades trained and able to work
with U.S. troops, and some working independently.
To date, there are about 155,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, almost 20,000 more
than the base level of 138,000 on the ground.
The additional troops are there for security through the December
elections, and afterward will eventually rotate back to the United States, as
designed by Pentagon war planners.

(got this off our wires, not online... no link)
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There were many Dems up for reelection 3 years ago or so and they may not have believed in the war resolution but voted for it anyway cause if they voted no
the Republicans would have used there propoganda machine and questioned there
patriotism and there balls!

So this thing didnt go to well and were in Vietnam 2.0 instead of a jungle in souteast asia fighting an uncoventional enemy were in desert in southwest asia fighting an unconventional enemy!!

So the Dems who voted for it and now say they shouldnt look like weasels the Repub adminstration that came up with the idea in the first place look incompetent!

ya know all that "we'll be greated as liberators" and "Iraq's own oil will finance
there own reconstruction" bull$hit!!! Take your pick second guessing weasel Dems or imcompetent and blind Repubs the whole thing sticks no matter whos changing the diapers!
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Wonder what the yeas/nays would look like in the Senate.
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Bill Young is speaking right now.
A commitment is a commitment.
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Stay the course. Stay the commitment. Stay the money. Stay the troops. Stay the loser.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
You know what's sad, Dems know perfectly well that what they are doing is hurting the country, yet they go ahead with this unrelenting criticism of the war as they have nothing else to hang their party on
This should have happened long ago. I don't know about pulling out the troops at this juncture, but the Dems should have had such intense opposition to Bush back when he proposed the war. I don't think it's hurting the country at all to question its leaders. That is what this country was founded on.
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Murtha has done precious little to defend the position on immediate withdrawal that he has proposed.

Reading letter after letter from families of those that were killed in Iraq may touch the hearts of folks, but it does nothing to defend what would be a foreign policy disaster if his plan was adopted.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
There is a difference between asking question and sabotaging the conduct of a war that was declared on your country.
Damn that Saddam and his influx of troops! The Iraqi attach on Venice Beach will not be forgotten!
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It's all about politics - what Murtha offered and what the Republican response was.

The Repubs have come to the conclusion that you don't win a political battle by being on the defense. Therefore, they've decided to go on the offense. This resolution by Duncan Hunter is an example of such. The Democrats were on the offense. Now they have to play a little defense. They don't like it. Who can blame them?

Is it a stunt? Of course - just the same as was when the Senate Democrats did what they did 10 days or so ago.
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403 - 3 against according to Drudge.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
You know what's sad, Dems know perfectly well that what they are doing is hurting the country, yet they go ahead with this unrelenting criticism of the war

ERRRRRRRRRHHHHHH! (brakes slamming sound) what hurts your country worse? the asshole Republicans who started a senseless war base on fabricated evidence and scare tatics and dead wrong analysis
(we'll be greated as liberators)

or the asshole Dems who voted for the war or criticize it now????

Any objective person would say "Hurting the country" would be the asshole who started it in the first place
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Should Bush get in the middle of this and come before Congress and promise a withdrawal plan of some kind without a firm timeline?
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Should Bush get in the middle of this and come before Congress and promise a withdrawal plan of some kind without a firm timeline?
No!
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What is he supposed to do - just sit back and stay out of it?
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Should Bush get in the middle of this and come before Congress and promise a withdrawal plan of some kind without a firm timeline?


Absolutely not!
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
I would say the worst ones are the "assholes" who believe in waiting for threats to become tangible.

I guess some people still believe in capturing, prosecuting, and executing suicide bombers after they have struck...
So, how do we go about this? Given the daily suicide bombings in Iraq, whatever we've been doing so far has been for shit.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
There is a difference between asking question and sabotaging the conduct of a war that was declared on your country.
No one has declared war on the United States. Yet.
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Originally Posted by Jason
No one has declared war on the United States. Yet.
Exactly what kind of paper does that declaration have to be written on?

Just so we know, in case somebody feels like satisfying that requirement.
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This was a brilliant move by the republicans. The democrats don't truly believe their own rhetoric and it was proven tonight. I'm sure that won't stop them from spewing it, but at least the American people know how they REALLY feel.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Yeah, it is a work in progress... so what is your point? Does the modernization of a civilization stuck in the 9th century AD should take no more than 2-3 years?
So now we're there to bring enlightenment to the savages?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051119/...kxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Three Democrats, Jose Serrano of New York, Robert Wexler of Florida and Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, voted for withdrawal.

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