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Old 11-11-05, 01:33 PM
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Bush Responds To Criticism Of Pre-War Intelligence

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TOBYHANNA, Pa. - President Bush, in the most forceful defense yet of his Iraq war policy, accused critics Friday of trying to rewrite history and charged that they’re undercutting America’s forces on the front lines.

“The stakes in the global war on terror are too high and the national interest is too important for politicians to throw out false charges,” the president said in his combative Veterans Day speech.

While it’s perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began,” the president said.

Bush spoke at the Tobyhanna Army Depot on a stage decorated with posters that said “Strategy for Victory.”

It was his toughest attack yet against growing doubts and criticism about a war that has claimed the lives of more than 2,050 members of the U.S. military. As casualties have climbed, Bush’s popularity has dropped. His approval rating now is at 37 percent in the latest AP-Ipsos poll, an all-time low point of his presidency.

Democrats in recent weeks have been accusing the White House of manipulating intelligence on Iraq and leaking classified information to discredit critics of the war.

Lewis “Scooter” Libby, a top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, was indicted last month for obstructing justice, perjury and lying after a two-year investigation into the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity.

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Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., quickly returned Bush’s criticism. “Its deeply regrettable that the president is using Veterans Day as a campaign-like attempt to rebuild his own credibility by tearing down those who seek the truth about the clear manipulation of intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war,” Kennedy said in a statement.

“Instead of providing open and honest answers about how we will achieve success in Iraq and allow our troops to begin to come home,” Kennedy said, “the president reverted to the same manipulation of facts to justify a war we never should have fought.”

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada said on Thursday Democrats were insisting that Americans “get the truth about why the White House cherry-picked and leaked intelligence to sell the war in Iraq.”

“The president may think this matter can be swept under the rug or pardoned away, but Democrats know America can do better,” Reid added.

The Bush administration’s main justification for the Iraq war was that it posed a threat because it had stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, but none have been found.

Bush also cites inquiry, U.N.

Defending the march to war, he said that foreign intelligence services and Democrats and Republicans alike were convinced at the time that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

“Some Democrats and anti-war critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war,” Bush said.

He said those critics have made those allegations although they know that a Senate investigation “found no evidence” of political pressure to change the intelligence community’s assessments related to Saddam’s weapons program.

He said they also know that the United Nations passed more than a dozen resolutions citing Saddam’s development and possession of weapons of mass destruction.

“More than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate who had access to the same intelligence voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power,” Bush said.

Bush did not single out any critics by name but said many of them had supported Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., his rival for the White House in last year’s presidential elections.

The president said the criticism has taken a toll on U.S. forces.

“These baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America’s will,” Bush said.

A call for unity behind U.S. troops

As our troops fight a ruthless enemy determined to destroy our way of life , they deserve to know that their elected leaders who voted to send them to war continue to stand behind them,” the president said. “Our troops deserve to know that this support will remain firm when the going gets tough. And our troops deserve to know that, whatever our differences in Washington, our will is strong, our nation is united and we will settle for nothing less than victory.”

Bush said the United States and its allies are determined to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of extremists and prevent them from gaining control of any country. ---and what does that have to do with Iraq. Another headscratch for Bush.

Bush singled out Syria for particular criticism, saying its government had taken “two disturbing steps” in recent days. He cited the arrest of Syria pro-democracy activist Kamal Labwani and a “strident speech” by President Bashar Assad. In that speech, Assad said his government would cooperate with a U.N. investigation that implicated Syrian officials in the killing of a Lebanese leader, but warned he would no longer “play their game” if Syria “is going to be harmed.”

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Old 11-11-05, 01:57 PM
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On Veteran's Day, it was nice to see Bush spending 3 of his 20 minute speech actually talking about veterans. I'm sure critics will jump on his statement regarding "rewriting history" the way his administration has been leaking and scrambling to cover its tracks. Phase II, if it is ever completed, should provide some insight on exactly what information was provided to justify the war and what possibly could have been omitted/modified to bolster support.

ThinkProgress has an interesting post on discrepancies between classified documents in the Senate Intel Commitee's report for the case of the war.
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I'm curious...When was the last time he gave a speech in front of public crowd? or is he still a "war president" whom needs to be surrounded by military personnel to send a positive message?
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As I remember it, Most of the Democrats were against the war from the very begining, and went so far as to plead with the president not to go to war. They withheld support, voted against it, and they all knew there were no WMD. They even told Clinton that there were no WMD and the entire Saddam thing was overblown.

But that's how I remember it.
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I think it's very telling that the anti-Bush people in this thread have words like "polizei" and "reich" in their usernames.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
As I remember it, Most of the Democrats were against the war from the very begining, and went so far as to plead with the president not to go to war. They withheld support, voted against it, and they all knew there were no WMD. They even told Clinton that there were no WMD and the entire Saddam thing was overblown.

But that's how I remember it.



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From Wikpedia: The word Polizei is taken from the Ordnungspolizei, which was the name for the regular German police force that existed in Nazi Germany between the years of 1936 and 1945; Ordnungspolizei (Orpo or regular police), the Sicherheitspolizei (Sipo or security police), and the Kriminalpolizei (Kripo or criminal police). The Orpo assumed duties of regular law enforcement while the Sipo consisted of the Gestapo and Sicherheitsdienst (SD) . . . and we all know where reich comes from

methinks Groucho is on to something here.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I think it's very telling that the anti-Bush people in this thread have words like "polizei" and "reich" in their usernames.
It's also telling who's a Grouch today.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
As I remember it, Most of the Democrats were against the war from the very begining, and went so far as to plead with the president not to go to war. They withheld support, voted against it, and they all knew there were no WMD. They even told Clinton that there were no WMD and the entire Saddam thing was overblown.

But that's how I remember it.
Was this an overly silly statement? Or are you being serious?
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Originally Posted by Chaos
From Wikpedia: The word Polizei is taken from the Ordnungspolizei, which was the name for the regular German police force that existed in Nazi Germany between the years of 1936 and 1945; Ordnungspolizei (Orpo or regular police), the Sicherheitspolizei (Sipo or security police), and the Kriminalpolizei (Kripo or criminal police). The Orpo assumed duties of regular law enforcement while the Sipo consisted of the Gestapo and Sicherheitsdienst (SD) . . . and we all know where reich comes from

methinks Groucho is on to something here.
Obviously some of you have zero knowledge about countries outside your own. Which is interesting considering you support a president who's currently involved with an undeclared war in a country in the Middle East.

OMG!!!!!1111!!!! Look at the username Chaos!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Chaos derives from the Greek Χαος and typically refers to unpredictability. In the metaphysical sense, it is the opposite of Law and Order: unrestrictive, both creative and destructive.

So, you're against law and order. How can you support a president who's pro-order and pro-democracy?


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I'm more concerned with Polizei's name containing the letters "DVD", which clearly stands for "Demonic Virginal Dyssymmetry." If the man is into freak porn he should stay in the sexual ghetto reserved for people like him.
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You should bold this.

“More than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate who had access to the same intelligence voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power,” Bush said.
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Originally Posted by Bandoman
I'm more concerned with Polizei's name containing the letters "DVD", which clearly stands for "Demonic Virginal Dyssymmetry." If the man is into freak porn he should stay in the sexual ghetto reserved for people like him.
Now that's better.
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Originally Posted by Myster X
You should bold this.

“More than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate who had access to the same intelligence voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power,” Bush said.
Yeah, funny you should mention that. Let's discuss it shall we?

Originally I've said Bush wanted to remove Saddam from power. I supported that. And as you've so intelligently bolded for me, so did the Democrats.

But then, Bush decided to go on a liberating campaign (March 2003 and after), and deciding to stay in Iraq. That was not my initial understanding. That was not what I and many others wanted.

That was not the Democrats who voted for the "Saddam removal" part of their understanding either.

So, let's recap kids. Removing a person from power (i.e., killing the SOB) does not correlate with remaining in a country for an indefinite period of time.

Those are two different issues.
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Originally Posted by Myster X
“More than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate who had access to the same intelligence voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power,” Bush said.
And how many *didn't*? How many were saying the data was being cooked? How many were mocked for saying they needed more proof?
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"adamblast"..."Atom Blast"..."WMD"...not to hard to figure out where this guy's true allegience is...
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So, let's recap kids. Removing a person from power (i.e., killing the SOB) does not correlate with remaining in a country for an indefinite period of time.

Those are two different issues.
What the hell are we still doing in the Balkans?
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I think it's very telling that the anti-Bush people in this thread have words like "polizei" and "reich" in their usernames.
Hey, Jim Eisenreich was a hell of a player for the Phillies. Whats your point?
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"adamblast"..."Atom Blast"..."WMD"...not to hard to figure out where this guy's true allegience is...
At least I don't go around bragging about my knowledge of the female urinary tract.
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By the way, this was the appearance by Bush that Senator Rick Santorum "couldn't attend" due to another engagement. Even Santorum won't get near Bush now!
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Santorum is 18 points behind Robert Casey in the PA senate race. Granted, we still have 12 months to go and anything could happen, but Santorum is in real trouble here.
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Yeah, funny you should mention that. Let's discuss it shall we?

Originally I've said Bush wanted to remove Saddam from power. I supported that. And as you've so intelligently bolded for me, so did the Democrats.

But then, Bush decided to go on a liberating campaign (March 2003 and after), and deciding to stay in Iraq. That was not my initial understanding. That was not what I and many others wanted.

That was not the Democrats who voted for the "Saddam removal" part of their understanding either.

So, let's recap kids. Removing a person from power (i.e., killing the SOB) does not correlate with remaining in a country for an indefinite period of time.

Those are two different issues.

And that correlates to the "he lied about WMD" claim how?

They said they agreed to remove Hussein from power. We did. Now they DON'T agree with how he's fighting the war. That's all fine and dandy. They can disagree with the Pres all damn day.

Instead of LYING saying that the President lied about WMD to garner support for the war, perhaps they should present how they would instead fight the war (they have - they would cut and run). The American public doesn't agree with cutting and running.

Thus, Bush won re-election.

It's really pretty simple

The Dems instead choose to LIE to take away support for Bush. Which, sadly has worked. It also demoralizes our troops. WTG guys!
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The American Public doesn't like a lot of things about the administration and we will see what the results of this are come this years governor elections and 2008.

I'm not saying Bush personally "lied" about WMD, as I think the US has one of the worst intel structures in the world. So, you can't lie if your country's intel is for crap. However, you can certainly be stupid.

The "lying about WMD" is not one of my issues I have with Bush.

And to argue about "demoralization" is rather silly.
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