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Old 10-26-05, 06:23 AM
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Ralph Nader fired his workers when they tried to form a union.

This new book by Peter Schweizer is called "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy."

I think it's great that these liberals are being hypocrites, because it shows the stupidity of the policies that they claim to support.

http://www.nationalreview.com/interr...0510250827.asp

October 25, 2005, 8:27 a.m.

Moore Hypocrites Than True Believers?

Exposing the Do As I Say (Not As I Do) Left.

Q&A by Kathryn Jean Lopez

The mother of Princeton bioethics professor Peter Singer is lucky that her son is an hypocrite. Her son is a leading proponent of excising the undesirable — the imperfect via abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia. The disabled would fall under there, also, sometimes, the elderly.

Peter Singer's mother has Alzheimer's.

Peter Schweizer reports in his new book Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy that "far from embracing his own moral ethic, Singer hired a group of health care workers to look after her."

Good for him, he can't even buy his own poison. (When your ideas are destructive, at least a little hypocrisy saves a life here and there, despite the widespread damage you may be doing.)

Singer isn't the only hypocrite on the Left. Hoover Institution fellow Schweizer exposes a handful of popular Lefty hypocrites in his new book. He recently talked to National Review Online editor Kathryn Lopez about his latest book and the Left's deficiencies.

Kathryn Jean Lopez: Michael Moore makes money off oil and war? Why would he bother lying about owning stock? Is Peter Schweizer the only person who bothered checking?

Peter Schweizer:Michael Moore is constantly trying to prove his and the Left's moral superiority, so he says things about himself that are patently not true. He's pathological about it. How else to explain that he's loudly proclaimed no less than three times that he doesn't invest in the stock market because it's morally wrong while quietly picking up shares in a whole host of companies. A portfolio that includes Halliburton, Boeing, and HMOs doesn't fit the bill so he lies about it. I think he assumed that no one would poke around and investigate. When it comes to the MSM he was correct in making that assumption. He never responded to my questions. I'm dying to know how he explains away this one.

Lopez: Where did you get the idea for Do As I Say...? Did you just know the line of inquiry would be productive or did something fall into your lap?

Schweizer: I got tired of having discussions and arguments with people on the Left who operate on the assumption that they possess the moral high ground. They're not greedy, they're the only ones who truly care about the poor, minorities, you name it. Knowing quite a few people on the Left I knew that wasn't true. So I started poking around — looking at tax returns, IRS filings, court documents, etc. Frankly, it's amazing how easy it was to find examples of lefties being completely hypocritical.

Lopez: Given the hypocrisy you expose on this front, please tell me Nancy Pelosi at least isn't a Wal-Mart basher.

Schweizer: <b>Nancy Pelosi bashes everyone who doesn't allow unions to call the shots. Everyone that is except herself. It's takes an amazing amount of gall to accept the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Unions while using non-UFW workers on your Napa Valley Vineyard. It takes the same to praise the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees Union and take massive sums of money from them all the while keeping them out of your Hotel and chain of restaurants.</b> But again, I think Pelosi correctly assumes that no one in the media will challenge her on this.

Lopez: I'm all for having a little legitimate fun with liberals. But doesn't revealing Barbra Streisand's water bill feel a little like going through her garbage? Actually: Did you have to go through her or anyone else's garbage? Where did you get this stuff?

Schweizer: I didn't go through Bab's trash. All the info in the book was obtained legally and ethically. <b>Streisand's annual water bill of $22,000 to keep her lawn green is relevant because she made it relevant: She's constantly lecturing ordinary Americans about the need to cut back on our consumerist culture. Maybe if she turns off the taps she'll have some legitimate grounds for making the claims she does.</b> As Kermit the Frog said, it's not easy being green.

Lopez: Um and the Clinton's underwear? Though the Clinton's claiming $4 per pair of used underwear among their charitable contributions does seem like it is begging for a New York Post cover.

I suppose there was not blue dresses. Something like that would make a lot more on ebay.

Schweizer: <b>Ah, yes, the Clintons, who profess to pay the maximum amount on their taxes every year because it's the right thing to do. The Clintons are simply amazing in their ability to lecture Americans about their need to pay more taxes while at the same time finding lucrative tax shelters and taking outrageous tax deductions.</b> Again, the media gives them a free pass.

Lopez: What else about the Clintons do you want to hand over to RNC op research before 2008?

Schweizer: I think their record of greed, jilting poor people out of their money, and their avarice are a sight to behold. Let people see how they have made their money over the last couple of decades and it speaks for itself.

Lopez: Tell me the great hypocrisy of that greatest of all public intellectuals according to one recent depressing survey: Noam Chomsky.

Schweizer: Noam Chomsky thinks he's the Moses of this age and even those on the Left who don't agree with him on everything accept his moral authority. But Chomsky is a socialist who practices capitalism, and an anti-militarist who has made millions off of Pentagon contracts. Wonder what his followers would think of that? Then there is his constant lecturing about "tax gimmicks" and "tax shelters" that "the rich" use to avoid paying their "fair share." He must have forgotten about that when he set up his tax shelter.

Lopez: And he wasn't a lot of fun when you got in touch with him, was he?

Schweizer: I give credit to Chomsky for responding to my questions. His excuses were something to behold. No wonder he teaches linguistics. It's amazing how he twists his words. By the way, he said it was okay to criticize other rich people for setting up trusts and setting one up himself. After all, he explained, he's been fighting for poor people his whole life.

Lopez: Did anyone ever take Al Franken seriously anyway? Why shouldn't anyone?

Schweizer: I'm not sure that most people take Franken seriously, but the media most assuredly does. He professes to be more than a comedian. He claims to be a political analyst and apparently wants to be a U.S. senator. (His former writing partner says he really wants to be president. Yikes!) His vicious attacks against conservatives as racists are not meant to be funny. He really does think that we're bigots. So questions about his absolutely abysmal record when it comes to hiring minorities should be exposed. (For those who want a hint, less than one percent of his employees have been black. That's a worse record than Bob Jones University, which Franken claims is "racist.")

Lopez: So he lies you say? At heart, he's a comedian. Does it really matter?

Schweizer: Yes it does matter. Among the liberal/Left base, they see Franken as some sort of prophet who speaks the truth. And again, the media gives him a free pass. I caught him on The Late Show with David Letterman last Friday. They chuckled a bit and Franken went on to explain his twisted and distorted view of the world. He wasn't challenged on anything he said.

Lopez: About Franken, he wanted to fight our Rich Lowry. You nervous now that your book is out?

Schweizer: I tried to get Franken to answer my questions. I wanted him to explain some of the outrageous comments he made a few years ago about disliking homosexuals and the fact that he was glad one had been killed. (Imagine if a conservative had said that?) And I wanted to ask him why he considered conservatives and Republicans racist because they hired so few blacks when he had such a horrible record himself. Alas, he never responded.

About the Lowry-Franken fight: Rich is too classy to take him up on it but I wish he had. He could have taken him easy.

Lopez: Any Lefties you checked into who came out with flying non-hypocritical colors worth lauding for at least practicing what they preach?

Schweizer: <b>I really thought that Ralph Nader would be that man. He lives a monk-like existence and tends to shun the material things in life. But then I discovered that he fired some of his employees for trying to form a union and I realized he wouldn't fit the bill.</b> I'm still looking....

Lopez: Another say-something-nice question: Is there anyone on the Left you admire? Or are you a hater?

Schweizer: I don't admire the ideas of the Left but there are some individuals that I think demonstrated integrity and honesty. Senator Paul Wellstone — say what you will about him, but he seemed to at least try to live a life somewhat consistent with his principles.

Lopez: Were you depressed or invigorated by the big wigs of the Left's hypocrisy?

Schweizer: Invigorated. It's another reminder that the ideas the left want to impose on the rest of us are so fundamentally bad that they don't even try to live by them. At the end of the day, when all the fun is done, I hope people view this as a book about ideas and the failure of liberal/Left ideas. They don't work for the leading lights of the Left. How could they possibly work for our country?

Lopez: One overarching kinda question: We all have our moments of hypocrisy. That we don't practice what we preach doesn't make what we preach any less valid. People are human, etc. Is there something about your book that is somewhat fundamentally unfair?

Schweizer: <b>Yes, we are all hypocrites and I talk about that in the book. But liberal hypocrisy and conservative hypocrisy are quite different on two accounts. First, you hear about conservative hypocrisy all the time. A pro-family congressman caught in an extramarital affair, a minister caught in the same. This stuff is exposed by the media all the time. The leaders of the liberal-Left get a complete pass on their hypocrisy. Second, and this is even more important, the consequences of liberal hypocrisy are different than for the conservative variety. When conservatives abandon their principles and become hypocrites, they end up hurting themselves and their families. Conservative principles are like guard rails on a winding road. They are irritating but fundamentally good for you. Liberal hypocrisy is the opposite. When the liberal-left abandon their principles and become hypocrites, they actually improve their lives. Their kids end up in better schools, they have more money, and their families are more content. Their ideas are truly that bad.</b>

Lopez: Is there something about the book that sums something up philosophically about the Left?

Schweizer: After researching the book I really truly believe that the leading lights of the Left — Moore, Franken, Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc. — really honestly don't believe what they are selling us. Their own experiences teach them that their ideas don't work.

Lopez: So I can't stand Michael Moore anyway. I really don't need any more anger aimed in his direction. Ditto with some others who get chapters in your book. Why should I read your book anyway? How might a Michael Moore fan get something out of Do As I Say...?

Schweizer: All I would ask a Michael Moore fan do is look at the facts. <b>Moore professes to hate capitalism ("the last evil empire" he's called it) but practices it in spades.</b> Moore condemns people for their racism and claims to support and practice affirmative action, but has a lousy record of hiring minorities. <b>He outsources post-production film work to Canada so he can pay non-union wages.</b> I could go on and on. I would ask his fans: is this really a sincere person?

Lopez: You always seem to have projects going on. What's next for you?

Schweizer: Right now I'm working to promote the book. I have some ideas for future projects but nothing set in stone. I wrote a novel with Cap Weinberger that came out a couple of months ago called Chain of Command. Cap is a class act and I enjoyed writing fiction. Maybe another novel at some point. We'll see.

Lopez: What's the funniest story you learned while compiling the book?

Schweizer: It has to be one about Michael Moore. In his books Michael Moore goes on and on about the fact that Americans are racist because they live in white neighborhoods. It's an example of latent segregationist attitudes in his mind. When I checked the demographics on Michael Moore's residence I burst out laughing. Michael Moore lives in a town of 2,500 in Michigan. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there is not a single black person in the entire town.

Lopez: Do you like any Streisand songs?

I've lately been partial to "You Don't Bring Me Flowers." It makes me think of the president's relationship with conservatives of late. (Don't judge me for my weirdness.)

Schweizer: Yes, that song does seem fitting these days. Streisand has a pretty voice but I don't really listen to her. Not because of politics, but I like something with a strong beat.

Lopez: One more before we go: Can't you just be happy for Gloria Steinem, man?

Schweizer: I am happy for Gloria Steinem. She finally found her man. My question is why couldn't she just be happy for other women who got married? A classic example of Do As I Say, Not As I Do.
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I think it's great that these liberals are being hypocrites, because it shows the stupidity of the policies that they claim to support.

Bush Says Iraq Is To Protect America From Terrorism...but we have the highest amount of illegal immigrants easily crossing borders from all over the world ever.

Lower-priced Medicine For The Elderly...but was against importation of drugs from Canada.

Bush Administration Pro-Military...but Republicans voted against several military healthcare bills and proposed large increases in co-payments for medical treatment.
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grundle's not a Republican, he's a libertarian. I'm sure he'll repeat that at least 2 more times this thread .

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The good news is, only liberals are hypocritical. There are no hypocritical conservatives or libertarians.
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DVD Polizei,

grunter's not a Republican, he's a libertarian. I'm sure he'll repeat that at least 2 more times this thread .
Hmm!

I didn't know grundle was a libertarian.
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That article was almost impossible to read. Liberals are bad, right?

Oh, and I thought Chomsky was an anarcho-syndicalist, not a socialist.
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Couldn't one argue that an anarchist views were more akin to libertarianism than socialism?
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Couldn't one argue that an anarchist views were more akin to libertarianism than socialism?
Yes, but there's a big difference between anarchism and anarcho-socialism, apparently. From what I understand, anarcho-socialism is anarchy + labor unions.
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That's my understanding also.

I couldn't resist a dig at our libertarian friends.
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Originally Posted by Brain Stew
DVD Polizei,

grunter's not a Republican, he's a libertarian. I'm sure he'll repeat that at least 2 more times this thread .
Ooops. My mistake.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I think it's great that these liberals are being hypocrites, because it shows the stupidity of the policies that they claim to support.

Bush Says Iraq Is To Protect America From Terrorism...but we have the highest amount of illegal immigrants easily crossing borders from all over the world ever.

Lower-priced Medicine For The Elderly...but was against importation of drugs from Canada.

Bush Administration Pro-Military...but Republicans voted against several military healthcare bills and proposed large increases in co-payments for medical treatment.

So your main counter to the charge Libs/Dems are hypocrites is to point out Reps are too As the person mentions "we are all hypocrites", although I don't necessarily agree w/ his analysis after that since I think it's too general. However that doesn't dismiss the fact there seems to be some clear cut cases (and I'm sure these are not the only ones) where Dems aren't living up to the moral superiority/"high horse" (ala "countering the culture of corruption" kick they seem to be on now) they espouse. When Reps got onto the moral majority kick people ribbed them about it, do the Dems get a free pass for some reason?
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grundle. I had an early morning brainfart.
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Wow, my knee started twitching uncontrollably as I read through this thread!
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The good news is, only liberals are hypocritical. There are no hypocritical conservatives or libertarians.
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The good news is, only liberals are hypocritical. There are no hypocritical conservatives or libertarians.

According to the forum, I thought it was just Christians.
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The real problem? Christian Liberals!


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I couldn't resist a dig at our libertarian friends.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I think it's great that these liberals are being hypocrites, because it shows the stupidity of the policies that they claim to support.

Bush Says Iraq Is To Protect America From Terrorism...but we have the highest amount of illegal immigrants easily crossing borders from all over the world ever.

Lower-priced Medicine For The Elderly...but was against importation of drugs from Canada.

Bush Administration Pro-Military...but Republicans voted against several military healthcare bills and proposed large increases in co-payments for medical treatment.
I favor free trade for imported drugs from Canada, and I'm against the Iraq War.
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I favor war w/ Canada and I'm against all drugs... where does that leave me

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Originally Posted by grundle
I favor free trade for imported drugs from Canada, and I'm against the Iraq War.
Yet its only "the liberals" that are the cause of all the problems.
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I'm a dem, and I'm against unions.
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I'm a dem, and I'm against unions.
I'm a libertarian and I'm not "against" unions. I am against giving unions artificial bargaining advantages against companies through the force of law. I am also against giving companies artificial bargaining advantages against unions through the force of law.

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I'm a libertarian and I'm not "against" unions. I am against giving unions artificial bargaining power against companies through the force of law. I am also against giving companies artificial bargaining power against unions through the force of law.
Well put.
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