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Palestine Hotel in Baghdad attacked; 17 dead so far

Old 10-24-05, 12:54 PM
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Palestine Hotel in Baghdad attacked; 17 dead so far

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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Three enormous bombs, including a cement-mixing truck packed with explosives, blew up near an Iraqi police post and the Palestine Hotel — home to many Western journalists. At least 17 people were killed.

A car bomb exploded near the police position on the northeast side of Firdous Square and more than 100 yards east of the hotel. Security officials said a third bomb struck the area around the same time. All three were believed to be suicide attacks.

Associated Press Television Network footage showed that one of three vehicle bombers had penetrated the concrete blast walls surrounding the hotel compound before exploding.

The cement mixer exploded in a huge ball of flame and a cloud of smoke billowing into the central Baghdad sky near Firdous Square — the site of a statue of Saddam Hussein that was toppled in April 2003 as Baghdad fell to the U.S.-led coalition.

Iraqi security officials said the explosions occurred two minutes apart, not long before Muslims marking the Islamic holy month of Ramadan were preparing to break their daylong fast. Shortly before the explosion, a truck came under fire nearby, according to APTN.

It did not appear that anybody was killed inside the hotel. Three of the wounded were in the hotel but were not hurt seriously. Three others were at a U.S. military checkpoint at the northwest corner of the hotel compound.

The Pentagon said no coalition forces were injured in the attack, which it said was carried out by rockets and car bombs near the outer walls of the Palestine and the nearby Sheraton.

Capt. Patricia Brewer, a U.S. military spokeswoman in Baghdad, said they could hear the blasts from their headquarters. A Pentagon spokesman, Lt. Col. Barry Venable, said the U.S. military sent in a quick reaction force to the site to assist the police.

Elsewhere in Baghdad, suspected insurgents opened fire at two civilian cars, killing three municipal workers and a passer-by, said police Capt. Talib Thamir amid a surge of violence over the last two days that has killed dozens.

The toll among American service members killed in the Iraq war also neared 2,000 dead, with the announcement of a Marine killed Sunday during fighting in western Iraq.

The exploding cement truck — caught in APTN footage — blew a hole in a 12-foot concrete wall that separates the hotel from the square. U.S. soldiers maintain a presence inside the five-acre hotel compound, which also includes the Sheraton Hotel.

Inside the Palestine, light fixtures were blown out, pictures were blasted off the walls and windows were shattered.

The 17 dead included Iraqi police and civilians, said Assistant Interior Minister Maj. Gen. Hussein Kamal.

An AP photographer at a checkpoint at the northwest corner of the hotel said at least three fellow photographers from other media were injured and taken away by ambulance. Three APTN personnel inside the hotel suffered minor injuries.

The AP counted six wounded inside the hotel, which was last hit in an insurgent rocket attack on Oct. 7, 2004.

The attacks caused heavy damage to the south side of the 19-story hotel, forcing journalists, including those from AP, Fox News and the U.S. government-funded Alhurra TV station to take refuge in the corridor. Fox and Alhurra said their staff members were safe.

After the bombing, Iraqi forces opened up with heavy automatic weapons fire, apparently firing at random. There was no sign of a further assault on the hotel, which was last hit by an insurgent rocket attack on Oct. 7, 2004.

Maj. Abbas Mohammed Suleiman said earlier that the hotel compound was hit by rockets and car bombs.

APTN video taken immediately after the explosions from inside the hotel showed people evacuating through damaged hallways with panels from the ceilings and walls blown out in the stairwell. Debris from the blasts was seen on the floor of one empty room, where a television set was still turned on.

The hotel has been attacked several times since the war started in March 2003. On April 8, 2003 — the day before Saddam's regime fell — U.S. tank fire killed two TV cameramen — a Spaniard and a Ukrainian — at the hotel.

Concrete barriers topped with barbed wire guard the Palestine and the nearby Sheraton, which is also home to foreigners.
Fox News has been running a video of the attack. They say it is now up to 17 dead and 20 or more injured.
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Old 10-24-05, 01:21 PM
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Islamofascists killing their fellow Muslims.
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Originally Posted by bhk
Islamofascists killing their fellow Muslims.
They weren't before we stuck our noses over there.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
They weren't before we stuck our noses over there.
So the more than one million people killed in the Iran-Iraq War was all an elaborate hoax?
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Originally Posted by CRM114
They weren't before we stuck our noses over there.

Yep, the middle east was a peaceful utopia before we were there.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
They weren't before we stuck our noses over there.
yeah, the Iraq invasion is the result of this
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Friggin' mess.

I hate how every attack is immediately politicised. 17 police and civilians were murdered today. The US bears NO responsibility in that matter.
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Many Muslims have died in the past from international wars and civil wars. For example, the Turk-Kurd conflict resulted in 30,000 deaths, but I wouldn't say that it's a total civil war and the Kurd group (PKK) rebelling against the Turkish government was recently classified as a terrorist group. Some blame can go on the US for stirring up some groups, but they didn't exactly come out of nowhere, and according to the TKB.org site, the Middle East has a history of the highest incidents of terrorism so this is nothing new for them.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
They weren't before we stuck our noses over there.

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Originally Posted by CRM114
They weren't before we stuck our noses over there.
Are you speaking of the U. S. invasion of Iraq, or are you talking about our interest in Iraq in general?
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Originally Posted by CRM114
They weren't before we stuck our noses over there.
Like the responses?

Terrorists strike a hotel, more than likely to get hostages, and Bush Infatuationists say, "But it was shitty before we got there anyway."

Then, when whe have a constitution passed, we get statements like, "Bush is a success!" and "Them Liberals aren't sayin' much now!"

So, to the Bush Infatuationists, if it was shitty in Iraq already, then why the fuck are we spending so much money and time there now if things aren't going to change anyway. You guys are like dogs chasing your own tails. Just admit it. It's great they have tentatively passed a constitution, but as you can see, even with us there, nothing will change. And when we leave, it will get only worse. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

But that's just Mr. DVD "The Armchair General" Polizei talking.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
So the more than one million people killed in the Iran-Iraq War was all an elaborate hoax?
There were daily suicide bombings in Iraq during the war? Uh, ok.
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Originally Posted by Mopower
Yep, the middle east was a peaceful utopia before we were there.
Who said anything about the middle east? Don't change the subject. We are talking SPECIFICALLY about Iraq here. And before the US occupation, it was under iron-fist control of a secular government.

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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Like the responses?

Terrorists strike a hotel, more than likely to get hostages, and Bush Infatuationists say, "But it was shitty before we got there anyway."

Then, when whe have a constitution passed, we get statements like, "Bush is a success!" and "Them Liberals aren't sayin' much now!"

So, to the Bush Infatuationists, if it was shitty in Iraq already, then why the fuck are we spending so much money and time there now if things aren't going to change anyway. You guys are like dogs chasing your own tails. Just admit it. It's great they have tentatively passed a constitution, but as you can see, even with us there, nothing will change. And when we leave, it will get only worse. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

But that's just Mr. DVD "The Armchair General" Polizei talking.
Yeah, its nauseating.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
There were daily suicide bombings in Iraq during the war? Uh, ok.

No, but a hell of a lot more folks were killed during the Iran-Iraq War than during this war in Iraq.
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Originally Posted by Thor Simpson
Friggin' mess.

I hate how every attack is immediately politicised. 17 police and civilians were murdered today. The US bears NO responsibility in that matter.
So you are telling me those bombers would have been in Baghdad had the US not ousted Saddam Hussein?
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Originally Posted by classicman2
No, but a hell of a lot more folks were killed during the Iran-Iraq War than during this war in Iraq.
And the Iran-Iraq war has what to do with this story exactly? You are reaching, c-man.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
There were daily suicide bombings in Iraq during the war? Uh, ok.

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So the more than one million people killed in the Iran-Iraq War was all an elaborate hoax?



There were daily suicide bombings in Iraq during the war? Uh, ok.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
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So the more than one million people killed in the Iran-Iraq War was all an elaborate hoax?



There were daily suicide bombings in Iraq during the war? Uh, ok.
Again, WHO IS TALKING ABOUT THE IRAN IRAQ WAR? Why do you insist on comparing a war between two nations with the US occupation of Iraq and the ensuing insurgency?
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You made a non-responsive response to wendersfan's post. See above.

I was simply making a non-response to your non-response post.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
You made a non-responsive response to wendersfan's post. See above.

I was simply making a non-response to your non-response post.
Or you jumped on wenderfans nonsensical sub-thread.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
So you are telling me those bombers would have been in Baghdad had the US not ousted Saddam Hussein?
I said the US bears no <B>responsibility</B> in these deaths, not that they would have happened any way. Huge difference.

Obviously the invasion put things on a different course.

The philosophy behind the killings is to blame, and the willingness to target innocent civilians for some moral or political gain. Whether you opposed the war or not, I would hope such tactics are detestable.
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Originally Posted by Thor Simpson
I said the US bears no <B>responsibility</B> in these deaths, not that they would have happened any way. Huge difference.

Obviously the invasion put things on a different course.

The philosophy behind the killings is to blame, and the willingness to target innocent civilians for some moral or political gain. Whether you opposed the war or not, I would hope such tactics are detestable.
Of course I think they are detestable. To the insurgency, Iraqi police and western journalists are not "innocent civilians" however. Its the lengths these people will go to. Everyone knew that the response to the occupation would turn out this way.
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Everyone knew that the response to the occupation would turn out this way.
I don't agree that everyone knew it.

The general consensus was that there would be violence; but, I believe the level of violence came as a surprise.

BTW: I don't know how the 'occupation' is going to turn out.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
Again, WHO IS TALKING ABOUT THE IRAN IRAQ WAR? Why do you insist on comparing a war between two nations with the US occupation of Iraq and the ensuing insurgency?
Well, let's see. <b>bhk</b> posted that this was
Originally Posted by bhk
Islamofascists killing their fellow Muslims.
to which you replied
Originally Posted by CRM114
They weren't before we stuck our noses over there.
implying that, before the US invasion of Iraq, acts of violence perpetrated by Muslims against other Muslims were rare or nonexistent. I replied
Originally Posted by wendersfan
So the more than one million people killed in the Iran-Iraq War was all an elaborate hoax?
pointing out that two nations with Islamic majorities spent the better part of a decade engaged in a brutal and bloody war.

Nowhere in your original snarky comment did you specify that these acts of intrafaith violence between Muslims had to have occurred subsequent to the US invasion. It would be silly to do so at any rate, since your original statement hinged on their being none of these acts committed prior to the war. Now you seem to be asking for someone to point out an event that happened both before <i>and</i> after the US invasion, which is simply not possible, barring some sort of rift in the time/space continuum.
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