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People who say that public education is "underfunded" never tell you the numbers.

Old 10-10-05, 11:44 PM
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People who say that public education is "underfunded" never tell you the numbers.

But here's a link to official government data:

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d...ures/fig11.gif
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Can you explain the chart?
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The dotted line meets the solid line which means everything's ok.
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People who tell you the "numbers", never know what they mean.
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People who say that public education is "underfunded" never tell you they are plumbers? Ok who changed the title.
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No, seriously... can someone explain the chart?

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Is the "constant" the value of the dollar, and "current" refers to spending?
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The "constant 2001-02 dollars" line reflects annual expenditures measured in "2001-02" dollars. (kinda like adjusted for inflation). "Current dollars" means the actual amount spent that year. At least that's what I think...
...but then again ever since they changed instructions on class papers from, "Circle the right answer" to "Ring the correct answer" I've been confused.
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So the lesson this graph teaches is that we're spending far less on education, just like the people who say public education is "underfunded" are saying?
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My head hurts from looking at that chart. Can somebody just tell me whether we should blow up public education and just home school all our kids to save money?
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Current money - $4000 per pupil in 1970
$8000 per pupil in 2001

So basically, were spending double with worse results.
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Originally Posted by VinVega
My head hurts from looking at that chart. Can somebody just tell me whether we should blow up public education and just home school all our kids to save money?
well, one clue is to look who started the thread.

The conclusion you can draw from the chart and knowing the ideological slant of the person who started the thread is that:

Teachers are overpaid and lazy and the only way to make education work is to privatize it.

May not be exact, but I'll bet I'm pretty darn close.
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Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
Current money - $4000 per pupil in 1970
$8000 per pupil in 2001

So basically, were spending double with worse results.
education has beeen getting worse since the 1950's. it's a miracle that the generation x can even read
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Originally Posted by al_bundy
it's a miracle that the generation x can even read
The youngest x'ers are pushing 30. Perhaps you mean the lamely named Gen Y?
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I was educated during the 1950s. I can speak from experience. There were folks back then who said 'education has been getting worse since the 1940s.'

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meant generation x

if you read the history books there was a big deal about how bad education was in the 1950's because of sputnik and yet the baby boomers did pretty well

when i went to school in the 1980's education was also considered to be a lot worse than before and my generation did pretty well

if you listen to the naysayers of doom then most of the US should not know how to read
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What year did they stop teaching capitalization and punctuation?
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Originally Posted by al_bundy
education has beeen getting worse since the 1950's. it's a miracle that the generation x can even read
But you have to admin, these youngins can really take advantage of keyboard characters that would otherwise not even be used.
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Originally Posted by al_bundy
meant generation x

when i went to school in the 1980's education was also considered to be a lot worse than before and my generation did pretty well
Ok, now you've confused me a touch. Members of generation x were born 65-77, so they went to school in the 70's and 80's. Now the kids these days, what with their spell checkers and google. I could see a person graduating and being more or less illiterate. In my day, we only had dot matrix and daisy wheel printers and we liked it.
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every generation thinks their education was better or harder than their kids' education and that it's getting worse all the time. Every generation also thinks that whatever new gadget their kids are using will also make their education worse.

My wife went to one of the best schools in her profession and she is always asking me how to spell something and I'm a few classes away from a degree at UoP, yet I can spell almost every word out there. I remember when I was in school we had to use some card catalog to find periodicals and then find the articles on microfiche. When I do my papers these days I use an online library with access thousands of periodicals, journals, doctoral dissertations, databases etc. Even my wife uses UoP's online library for work because they have "free" access to various medical journals. Today's way saves a lot of time and doesn't lessen the quality of the learning experience. 20 years ago in school I would spend a few days doing research just to find articles I need. Today I can do my research in a few hours and find a lot more information. And I can do it from anywhere there is an internet connection. I can also email the articles to myself for easy reference later on. The downside is that they come with APA citations already done and all i have to do is copy and paste, so my APA skills may be lacking. I finished a class last night and the teacher was crazy about making sure the papers were in proper APA format.

Last year when I did my statistics classes I used a calculator because I was doing long problems and it saved me a lot of time doing the simple calculations. Again the point of the exercise is to learn proper thought processes to do the problems correctly and not waste time doing simple math. I even used the opportunity to learn some spreadsheet skills I didn't know before. I would put the data in Excel, type in the formulas and my math was easily done. Again what is the loss here in using a calculator?

Our finance people have 50MB spreadsheets full of formulas to save time in doing projections and analysis. Are they losing their educational experience by using a modern tool instead of doing things the way they were done 50 years ago?
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Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
Current money - $4000 per pupil in 1970
$8000 per pupil in 2001

So basically, were spending double with worse results.
Exactly!
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So?

Hasn't the average price of an automobile doubled (or more) since 1970?
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Originally Posted by grundle
Exactly!
I agree, we should totally cut all funding to public education. Since some schools are failing, that means all schools are failures. We should make stdents pay for grades K-12 like people pay for college, if they can't afford it. then oh well.
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I agree, we should totally cut all funding to public education. Since some schools are failing, that means all schools are failures. We should make stdents pay for grades K-12 like people pay for college, if they can't afford it. then oh well.
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Originally Posted by classicman2
So?

Hasn't the average price of an automobile doubled (or more) since 1970?
Whast does the price of automoblie have anything to do with this?

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